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Re: BambuStudio has been violating PrusaSlicer AGPL license since their fork

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

throw10920 wrote: post #148
Joel_Mckay wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Any sane person can see that these aren't in the same universe of things. "When McKinsey Comes to Town: The Hidden Influence of the World's Most Powerful Consulting Firm" (Walt Bogdanich, Michael Forsythe ) https://www.amazon.com/When-McKinsey-Comes-Town-Consulting/d... ad hominem rhetoric means one has chosen to be part of the despotism problem. Best of luck =)

Yeah, that link isn't relevant to anything. You're just throwing out random garbage because your argument is invalid and you know it. You're a propagandist. Fortunately, the vast majority of people that I've talked to don't fall for this line of fallacy - I'm just making sure your lies don't fool those that happen to overlook them. > means one has chosen to be part of the despotism problem Yeah, this is unhinged. You…

One has a right to believe whatever they like, but most people already know the "Detect, Deny, Degrade, Disrupt, Destroy, Deceive" rhetoric you are spouting.

I for one praise our glorious leader. Have a wonderful day. =3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHnAKycy2ro

Re: BambuStudio has been violating PrusaSlicer AGPL license since their fork

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Post by SpaceNoodled »

Aurornis wrote: post #99
My_Name wrote: post #33

I use my printer to make prototypes for my business. There is no way in hell I'm sending them into the internet for some random to examine. I think my next printer will be mostly 3D printed, with a few generic parts like motor controllers, the odd bit of metal tubing, off the shelf bed levelling system, open source software etc. I only need single colour prints for work, and AFAIK the fastest printer on the planet is…

> There is no way in hell I'm sending them into the internet for some random to examine. I think it’s funny how much this battle has been contorted since it started. This fight started because someone added Bambu Cloud support back into OrcaSlicer because it’s what users wanted. These are the first 3 lines of Louis Rossman’s fork’s README: > This version of OrcaSlicer restores full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab…

They are, but only on their own terms.

Re: BambuStudio has been violating PrusaSlicer AGPL license since their fork

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Post by rileymat2 »

doginasuit wrote: post #144
rileymat2 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Greed is a loaded word, there are economic realities of paying developers to create the open source software. Could you elaborate on the non-economic use cases you are thinking of?

That was my point too. There are valid reasons to go with closed source, open source may not be a viable option for a variety of concerns, including economic realities. The person I was replying to raised the issue of corporations that take and do not give back (which definitely exist) and I was responding to it.

Yes, we don't have a great business model for this yet. We see the problems caused by things like Elastic Search either locking away important features or getting killed by well funded incumbents like Amazon.

My response was asking more, when you said "use cases" if there were non-economic ones you had in mind.

Years ago I got it in my head that we needed an open source copy left license that allowed for automatic licensing/royalty schemes in commercial use where the money would flow down to the project. This would give end users complete control over the software and modifications to the software, while distribution and money generated would be shared up the supply chain.

I still would like to see something like that but have no idea how to frame it.

Re: BambuStudio has been violating PrusaSlicer AGPL license since their fork

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Post by bicx »

iterateoften wrote: post #58
My_Name wrote: post #33

I use my printer to make prototypes for my business. There is no way in hell I'm sending them into the internet for some random to examine. I think my next printer will be mostly 3D printed, with a few generic parts like motor controllers, the odd bit of metal tubing, off the shelf bed levelling system, open source software etc. I only need single colour prints for work, and AFAIK the fastest printer on the planet is…

Going from Bambu to a self printed 3d printer I don't even think counts as the same category of devices. Bambu is concentrated on making a plug and play device that just works.

I had been considering getting a Bambu printer precisely for this reason. I had gotten into 3d printing in the reprap era, before selling it off due to lack of space. I don’t really want to get back into that constant calibration and test prints every time the ambient temp or humidity changes a few percentage points. Not to mention the painstaking initial setup. I just want to design and print, not become a 3d printer technician again.

Re: BambuStudio has been violating PrusaSlicer AGPL license since their fork

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Post by ssl-3 »

My_Name wrote: post #33

I use my printer to make prototypes for my business. There is no way in hell I'm sending them into the internet for some random to examine. I think my next printer will be mostly 3D printed, with a few generic parts like motor controllers, the odd bit of metal tubing, off the shelf bed levelling system, open source software etc. I only need single colour prints for work, and AFAIK the fastest printer on the planet is…

You certainly can design or build it yourself, but you don't have to.

There's an absolute fuckton of new, offline 3D printers for sale in the world. If disconnected operation is the goal, then finding a disconnected printer to buy is a simple affair. Lots of them just take regular gcode (as produced by Orca Slicer or similar) from an SD card or over USB, and don't have built-in networking as a feature at all.

If having it run open-source firmware is also a goal, then that's fine too: Research it first to ensure that its stock controller board can be flashed with custom-built Marlin (for complete airgap) and/or Klipper (which tends to imply LAN-only connectivity).

Being able to run open firmware is more common than it is unusual.

It's a pretty basic research task to drill down and then pick one with the price/performance/community/support characteristics that you want. After that, just assemble the machine when it shows up, and then build Marlin or Klipper for it.

And people in the 3D printing community will help with all aspects of this process, regardless of how you set your own goals. :)

Re: BambuStudio has been violating PrusaSlicer AGPL license since their fork

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Post by belorn »

doginasuit wrote: post #142
belorn wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People have a strong instinct for reciprocity and it is strongest when it is entirely their choice. My experience disagree with that statement. The places where I find the strongest form of reciprocity is when social norms heavily emphasize reciprocity and punish defectors, which is typical in environments where peoples survivability depend on social norms and reciprocity. A typical example is rural community vs a…

> The places where I find the strongest form of reciprocity is when social norms heavily emphasize reciprocity and punish defectors I think it is important to make a distinction between chosen reciprocity and expected reciprocity. Both are valid but come from different circumstances and motivation. If you are an open source proponent, how did you become one? For me, it was growing up at a time when the vast majority…

The distinction between chosen reciprocity and expected reciprocity is indeed one aspect of the concept, and they do indeed have generally different circumstances and motivation. I would add that chosen reciprocity has additional context here that also play a major role. Let make an example here.

Let say you are helping, for free, young adults/children to learn programming. You sacrifice time and energy for a good cause, and generally make the world a better place. No string attached, and no expectation for payment by those you help, a clear example of giving something away with no conditions or string attached.

Let now say that a for-profit tutoring company notice this and start to send their students to you. Instead of paying expensive teachers, they will use you as free labor and still demand payment from the parents. Does this change the context for your teaching? The parents, not knowing that you do this on your spare time for no pay, starts giving demands and expect you to behave as a paid employee, and do not recognize the sacrifice. Does it now mean something has changed, or are you still doing the exact same teaching to children as before?

I have seen multiple times when developers that release software under permissive licenses getting upset and stop developing when a for-profit company takes advantage of the fact that the license was permissive, breaking a social norm that has been created around the project. The permissive licenses only worked for those developers if everyone followed the social norm of reciprocity. How should such motivation be interpreted?

Re: BambuStudio has been violating PrusaSlicer AGPL license since their fork

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Post by abacadaba »

amluto wrote: post #109

Am I the only one who read this and contemplated that it would be entirely straightforward for a Chinese AI inference provider to efficiently scan their input and output token streams to identify cryptographic keys, access tokens and interesting vulnerabilities? (And, frankly, for Western providers to do similar things. Even major players like OpenAI have terms that really should not be seen as commercially acceptabl…

100% chance that access to every major company is somewhere in the chat logs

Re: BambuStudio has been violating PrusaSlicer AGPL license since their fork

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Post by sgarland »

awkwardpotato wrote: post #71
My_Name wrote: post #33

I use my printer to make prototypes for my business. There is no way in hell I'm sending them into the internet for some random to examine. I think my next printer will be mostly 3D printed, with a few generic parts like motor controllers, the odd bit of metal tubing, off the shelf bed levelling system, open source software etc. I only need single colour prints for work, and AFAIK the fastest printer on the planet is…

> I think my next printer will be mostly 3D printed What you're looking for then is a Voron. They're the printers that Bambu was "inspired" by and are made with all off-the-shelf parts. I really enjoyed building my Voron 2.4. I bought a kit that included all the wires pre-harnessed which made it much simpler to do.

I stumbled across Voron and was immediately hooked. I have a Bambu X2D, and while it is quite nice, the frustration of "I don't have access to X" is very real. There are a ton of things I want to do involving automation, recording data about print runs, benchmarking changes, etc. and the hoops to jump through to get that data out of a Bambu printer is intolerable.

I fully intend to spec and build a 2.4 in the near future.

Re: BambuStudio has been violating PrusaSlicer AGPL license since their fork

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Post by ndiddy »

Tomte wrote: post #118
ndiddy wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the Vizio lawsuit will set a more narrow precedent than the SFC wants. The tentative ruling the judge in that case made in December (not binding, but represents the judge's current understanding of the case going into the trial) is that Vizio has a contractual obligation to provide the GPL source code for the TV the SFC bought because the TV has an offer to provide source code upon request buried in one of th…

That was my impression, as well, but I recently met SFC people and they assured me that the judge is taking the third party beneficiary doctrine very seriously, it‘s not off the table. Funnily, because Vizio objected to the tentative ruling, it has little meaning now. The trial in August will handle the TPB stuff, as well. It will be streamed, btw.

Nice, I'm glad to hear that.
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