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Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by black_knight »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #100
SecretDreams wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Winning against piracy doesn't mean you completely eliminate piracy. It means you scare enough people into not doing it and make it a bit harder to do for others. Losing to piracy would see companies like Netflix and Spotify not thriving.

> It means you scare enough people into not doing it and make it a bit harder to do for others. By which definition they utterly failed. > Losing to piracy would see companies like Netflix and Spotify not thriving. Not at all. Netflix and Spotify do well because they are a good value proposition for the average customer. Piracy is free at point of "purchase" but is (and always has been) expensive in terms of various…

As long as enough people keep the pirate bays open, it will be there as an alternative when the services start their inevitable enshittification.

I for one do not enjoy the “Which service has the classic film I wanted to watch this week?” Nor having to switch services every time I want to see a new TV series.

We need (and have!) similar “free” alternatives to the watermarked generative services. Just like I hate the yellow dots on my printed images, I am not happy to have my creative assets (I do nothing nefarious) stained with SynthID.

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by black_knight »

msy wrote: post #123
wincy wrote: post #111

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So imagine the damage you could do to an artist by having Gemini flag it then saying “see here’s the proof they’re using AI art!” That person would get eaten alive.

...except they can produce the same image without the fake SynthID.

They must have used the tool from TFA!

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by devsda »

jauer wrote: post #138
digitaltrees wrote: post #124

Why? Don’t do this. Society is built on an implicit assumption of trust. You will erode the foundation that enables any success you might have in the short term.

Information is default low-trust unless you have reason to extend trust to the source and that's been the case for thousands of years, if not the entirety of human existence. We now have the tools to increase trust in specific information, for example: by signing images that need high trust for things like news reporting using camera hardware root of trust with time and geo stamping. If signatures are removed, that's…

It is best not to extend blanket trust to a specific source at all.

That is how we ended up with the situation where "reputed" media organizations peddle daily lies or selective truths that are useful to their benefactors.

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by antiloper »

digitaltrees wrote: post #124

Why? Don’t do this. Society is built on an implicit assumption of trust. You will erode the foundation that enables any success you might have in the short term.

> You will erode the foundation that enables any success you might have in the short term.

It's too late already. We live in a post-trust society now.

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by Planktonne »

I find the casual malevolence of this kind of thing breathtaking. Every time someone raises potential issues with AI misuse, they're dismissed as fear-mongering while a host of people immediately rush to demonstrate that not only is the fear justified, it's gleefully anticipated under the vaguest colour of lofty ideals.

People want to dismiss the potential harms of deepfakes while also excitedly releasing the deepfake-hider-3000 and saying they just really, really care about privacy (for people who make deepfakes).

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by 15155 »

goatlover wrote: post #145
15155 wrote: post #42

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The genie has been out of the bottle for 100 years, it's delusional to think that some voluntary watermark is going to stop that. In reality, all images will cease to be trustworthy and there's nothing that can be done about this.

Why are humans powerless to do anything about this? Aren't we making the technology? It's kind of a big problem for the future of the justice system and politics.

Because local models exist and you can't take them away.

Drugs are banned, they still exist. Many torrents flourish (that violate copyright laws), humans can't seem to stop those.

Generative AI has too much commercial utility to ever be "snatched back" at this point through legislative means.

> It's kind of a big problem for the future of the justice system and politics.

People will adapt, but this "big problem" is going nowhere.

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by Tepix »

Tiberium wrote: post #3

This is a bit misleading as for Gemini it only properly removes the visible watermark. To remove SynthID it has to regenerate the image at low noise with SDXL, which will likely destroy a lot of small details, plus won't work for higher res properly (NB2 and GPT Image 2 support up to 4K image outputs)

It claims to remove SynthID also.

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by xeyownt »

digitaltrees wrote: post #147
vasco wrote: post #134

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How is a hidden watermark that only police and providers can read better than a hidden watermark that the people can also read if they go out of their way to setup some project like this? Also your argument makes zero sense because bad guys will do this anyway. At least there's also an open source project for normal people, and it's interesting from a stenography standpoint.

Watermarks exists to create a chain of custody or attribution that can be used to establish culpability. Just like the government requires printer companies to add a dot matrix watermark to printed pages to prevent currency forgery. Making untraceable assets means parties can’t be held liable for harms. Just because a bad actor might poison a toddler doesn’t mean you should sell them the arsenic. Just because the eff…

No.

All watermarks are cures that are worse than the diseases they are trying to prevent (and never achieved to even cure anything).

Watermark is a blatant violation of legitimate privacy expectations, while not preventing anything because they can be easily removed.

So all the honest usages are punished, while illegitimate ones are not caught.

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