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No more JetBrains products for me

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Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by xlayn »

I hope someone at jetbrains with enough power read what we are saying in this thread.... changes for the sake of changes are bad... when they did the change to the "new UI" I kind of stomach it.. because the option to go to the other one was there... but I don't know... how much benefit did everyone derive from it? But when the AI crazyness started it was f downhill... Jetbrains need to do a one thing... expose a connector so the ai can connect to the thing and do what it needs to do... so the IDE amplifies the model... go to definition... give me back all the errors... without having to play with bash, make the thing go fast... and please don't put the stuff we want to do behind a gated thing that only you can give us and charge us for...

I stopped paying and stayed in 2024.2, every once in a while I see if there is anything meaningful worth it there... nop

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by coro_1 »

sunaookami wrote: post #121
coro_1 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still use the Classic PyCharm UI plugin. Not sure if I'm missing out on much today.. but initially I despised the minimalist interface for the new UI.

Still using the Classic UI plugin, the new UI has horrible contrast and changes things for the sake of change. Also why does every new UI has horrible monochromatic icons where you have to guess what they are?

Engagement, attention, predicting behavior, telemetry, and on and on.

Simplicity gets market share. Once that's built, the UI gets complex for all kinds of reasons.

Dropbox is the best example to date.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by za3faran »

linsomniac wrote: post #38
ryanolsonx wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Idk what car you have but mine can drive right away, just like Zed.

Not who you are replying to, but the new Lexus RX350h takes and absurdly long time to be ready to drive away, if you want to use the rear camera to help back out of the parking lot.

Can you elaborate more on why it takes a long time to be ready to drive away in reverse? How long are you talking?

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by Spartan-S63 »

jmward01 wrote: post #15

I had my (somewhat) breakup when they started advertising their code assistant at me. My IDE is my home. You push an advertisement at me and I get mad. I killed my subscription (with 1/2 a year left) and loaded the old version and haven't looked back. I will eventually give it up completely since new python versions aren't supported for debugging but oh well.

I had my breakup with them when I realized that I always install vim keybindings for every editor I use and that Neovim plus plugins gives me the typical workflow I use. It became a no-brainer to lean into the LSP ecosystem (and DAP for debugging) and have the native version of the way I like to edit files.

It also helped that Neovim tends to consume minuscule amounts of resources compared to IntelliJ. I like the product Jetbrains developed, but I don't like how resource hungry it is—running JVM software is something I try to avoid, if possible.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by insane_dreamer »

Lots of respect for what JetBrains has built, but I switched from PyCharm to Zed full-time about 6 months ago because while feature wise PyCharm was very good, I could not deal with the interminable "indexing". Fine if you have one project that you're working with all day long but I open a dozen different ones throughout the day and there was such a big project switching cost each time.

I've been very happy with Zed, and that was before it had as many features as it does now.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by russelg »

xlayn wrote: post #151

I hope someone at jetbrains with enough power read what we are saying in this thread.... changes for the sake of changes are bad... when they did the change to the "new UI" I kind of stomach it.. because the option to go to the other one was there... but I don't know... how much benefit did everyone derive from it? But when the AI crazyness started it was f downhill... Jetbrains need to do a one thing... expose a con…

>expose a connector so the ai can connect to the thing and do what it needs to do...

They have done this now, they've implemented ACP so you can use any agent that supports that from any IntelliJ editor. They (optionally) provide an MCP server which the agents can also use.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by rurban »

kstrauser wrote: post #45
ryanolsonx wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Idk what car you have but mine can drive right away, just like Zed.

Side note: to a rounding error, all modern cars can be safely driven right away. Wait a few seconds for the sound of the engine to change, indicating that oil is now happily pumping through all the grindy bits, and then you're ready to go. I'm not saying you want to drag race your neighbor 10 seconds after starting the engine for the first time that day, but once you don't hear the tappets being tappety, it's OK to p…

> indicating that oil is now happily pumping through all the grindy bits

That's not a modern car. Modern cars do not pump oil through all the grindy bits. Modern cars need to wait for the BMC to stabilize its power.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by djhn »

kstrauser wrote: post #138
pentium166 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slow car computers aside, it doesn't really make a difference in the scheme of things. Spend the time backing up now or later. Also, maybe you need to use your trunk and you'd rather have it opening into free space instead of another vehicle or a wall.

I contend it does. People tend to take way more time backing into a space than pulling into it, and hardly more time backing out of a space than pulling forward out of it. I'm certain this isn't how they think of it, but when I see someone blocking traffic while they painfully back into a spot, I imagine them imagining themselves having to fly out of there without a moment to spare, like they plan on having a drastic…

Surely a big part of the reason is steering leverage relative to the kerb.

You are able to one-shot reverse parallel park into a much narrower gap without hitting the bumpers of the cars around you or getting onto the pavement.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by onehair »

wiseowise wrote: post #18
pjmlp wrote: post #6

Well, Zed is a text editor with some plugins, while JetBrains products are full-blown IDEs, with abilities Zed will never offer.

> while JetBrains products are full-blown IDEs, with abilities Zed will never offer. None of those matter if they just close the IDE before it indexes. > When all of these tiny issues come together, it makes me NOT want to program. I don’t want to sit around and wait for startup times to get my ideas onto the screen. I don’t want to worry that my CPU or RAM is going to be exhausted and I am going to have to restart m…

One can always use multiple editors for what they do besg.

Zed, helix, nvim for small files in gui or terminal.

A solid Slow start IDE for solid extended time work

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