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Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by 627467 »

poisonborz wrote: post #145
Insanity wrote: post #26

As a European I want mistral and EU to do well. But at the same time, I wouldn’t actually give up my well paid engineering job outside of EU to even entertain working for them in EU. Too low salaries and too high taxes.

This is a pervasive misconception in the industry, and a very dull trope on HN. Your income tax makes it possible to create a livable society in the EU. You get much more free time and are protected from a lot of random life events, even if you work in a McDonalds counter and not as a software engineer. You have rent, healthcare, protection from landlords. Not perfect, but at least the direction is there. Solely prof…

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Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by marcuschong »

poisonborz wrote: post #145
Insanity wrote: post #26

As a European I want mistral and EU to do well. But at the same time, I wouldn’t actually give up my well paid engineering job outside of EU to even entertain working for them in EU. Too low salaries and too high taxes.

This is a pervasive misconception in the industry, and a very dull trope on HN. Your income tax makes it possible to create a livable society in the EU. You get much more free time and are protected from a lot of random life events, even if you work in a McDonalds counter and not as a software engineer. You have rent, healthcare, protection from landlords. Not perfect, but at least the direction is there. Solely prof…

Plus, even if you do prefer the American way (and I could see why), it seems fanatic for people to not recognize the clear benefits of the European model.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by sometimelurker »

Oras wrote: post #15

> and a challenger to OpenAI Big claim. Apart from Mistral OCR, I didn't find any of their models remotely useful. They do have a chance to become sole AI provider for France as French are trying to break from US tech, not because their product is useful. Sounds like a cry to raise more money, which is inline with their initial pitch [0] [0] https://sifted.eu/articles/pitch-deck-mistral

> ... didn't find any of their models remotely useful.

I daily drive Ministral-3-3B-Reasoning, getting a nice 70 tok/s on my GPU. its actually much faster than Google/DDG searches and I use it a ton when coding to check methods and remember ways to implement things. Its better than the qwen stuff of the same size because its not filled with ccp bs.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by sometimelurker »

delusional wrote: post #70
orochimaaru wrote: post #8

>>>> In a world where you import all your digital services from the United States, you have no leverage over the United States It's a bit deeper than that. If AI becomes as ubiquitous as imagined, which it seems it will, it's not just a "digital service". It's a primary utility - like electricity, water or highways. Because without it your productivity will plummet. We aren't there yet - we will be there in a few yea…

> Because without it your productivity will plummet. Why would it plummet? Surely we could just keep doing what we've been doing for the past 50 years. That doesn't go away because AI. The promise of AI is a productivity increase after implementing it. It doesn't change the productivity of not implementing it.

skill atrophy. also AI is actually helpful sometimes, by a very large degree.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by sometimelurker »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #35

This is mostly a performance by the Mistral CEO. He is trying to justify the continued existence of the AI bubble in his country, claiming that, somehow, us Americans have figured it out and made LLMs work. We haven't, nobody has. LLMs don't work. They cannot think. They do not understand what you are asking them to do. They statistically reproduce text written by other people, and they cannot do so well. They are no…

> They statistically reproduce text written by other people

explain why they can do multiplication problems they've never seen before? I can give them two 50 digit numbers right now and they'll multiply them. its because they generalize from previous data.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by sometimelurker »

Europe can totally do this. this is a race about talent, not vram, and Europe has asml + universities; both. if they want to compete they can.

deepseek v1 was "built in a cave with a box of scraps". now that they have actual hardware v4 is huge, but what really matters is talent.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by LelouBil »

pjmlp wrote: post #41
amazingamazing wrote: post #5

Deepseek is open source. Whats stopping them from distilling it and releasing their own model today? Where is the reliance on America? Gpus?

CPUs, GPUs, operating systems, programming languages toolchains. Even if you consider open source, the majority of contributions are from US companies. There are some companies contributing to GCC and clang from UK, GraalVM and V8 are partially in European sites but from American companies nonetheless. There is OCaml in France, more no idea.

There is VideoLan in France (VLC, x264, DAV1D)

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Post by kingleopold »

vk5tu wrote: post #117
kingleopold wrote: post #73

they already lost it but I guess it takes time to acknowledge it? Europe does not have capital or structures to catch up, it can't change in 2 years

Consider that Boeing once had no European rival. Europe is bulding consensus on what technology sovereignty means. This is a self-interested statement within that discussion. At some point the EU will appoint at rapporteur to synthesise those viewports into a formal definition. The EC will use that to develop a programme of works which is satisfactory to the member states and other interested states. The US is often…

at those time Europe was growing a lot more in real terms and had one of best engineering in the world. Maybe the best cars with mech. engineering was already made at those times, only Japan was rival for cars. No way Europe now have near best AI engineers and teams, huge difference.
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