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Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by lynndotpy »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #147
lynndotpy wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To repeat, it's not a collision, because it was not accidental. Kimball and Mattis named their image editor after the full-body sex-slave suit, on purpose. GIMP is a backronym. It's also worth emphasizing that "Pulp Fiction" is not an obscure movie, it was actually a very very popular movie from the 1990s and it's still relevant today. It won awards from every organization that gave movies awards. It was recently quo…

Ask anyone under fifty what "pulp fiction" was and prepare to get mostly blank stares. Can barely remember it myself. Reminds me of those creeps in "Footloose" trying to outlaw dancing. Puritanism can get fucked. ;-)

I'm gen Z, we know what Pulp Fiction is. Even the gen alphas do. We just had a crossover in Fortnite, and Pulp Fiction is in the Chainsaw Man opening.

I'm anti-Puritan as well, but there are far better hills to die on. In either case, it's moot, since "gimp" is also used as an ableist slur.

I haven't seen Footloose, but we don't need analogies to fictional movie villains. The facts are that they decided to give GIMP a stupid name, and so they missed out on investment and adoption because of that decision. It doesn't matter what you or I think, I'm just describing something that already happened.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by mghackerlady »

lynndotpy wrote: post #137
mixmastamyk wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am in California and have never heard this word used outside of the image editor, in my entire life. Not a spring chicken. Yes, finally looked it up after listening to boring complaints for two decades. Don’t care; mildly amusing collision.

To repeat, it's not a collision, because it was not accidental. Kimball and Mattis named their image editor after the full-body sex-slave suit, on purpose. GIMP is a backronym. It's also worth emphasizing that "Pulp Fiction" is not an obscure movie, it was actually a very very popular movie from the 1990s and it's still relevant today. It won awards from every organization that gave movies awards. It was recently quo…

Do you have any evidence it was done on purpose? The devs have referenced the unfortunate name a few times but I think it is infinitely more likely they chose the name in reference to the poor quality of the software or as a normal acronym

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by IdiotSavage »

Matl wrote: post #106

While all the comments about GIMP needing a total UX overhaul etc. are likely valid, it's worth noting that there's something like 2 people working on the bulk of GIMP at the moment. It's not a startup that has just raised a series A and opened a flashy San Francisco office. All that is to say that I don't think the problem is the GIMP devs not knowing what the problems are and needing them explained over and over ag…

As an outsider, trying to make some UI/UX changes in old open source projects is often extremely energy consuming and difficult. You have to convince all the old hands, who feel it's their project (maybe rightfully so) that the changes are good for new users. Old users will mostly fight any change (don't want to relearn). Many discussions end with "maybe let's make this a setting?". This leads to crappy software with bad defaults, way too many options and nobody will ever use the new settings.

Even though I have a background in UX design, I'm not cut out for this kind of open source work. I've tried.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by mghackerlady »

thisislife2 wrote: post #67

The argument over the UI in GIMP and Photoshop is actually based on the kind of "false" premise that Photoshop has a "superior" UI. It reminds of my first experience using macOS, as a long time Windows user. The first few months on macOS was a totally frustrating and negative experience for me - "What the ...? why does the ENTER key not open files or folders? Why is it going to 'rename' mode? Why doesn't double-click…

I feel like people saying that they're too used to photoshops UI/UX to switch is more of a dig on adobe than GIMP. Your entire skillset being non-transferable simply because of how hard photoshop is to learn and unlearn must mean adobe is in deep UX hell

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by F3nd0 »

nogbit wrote: post #155

Thank you so so much! I cant stand Gimp UI, so not intuitive. And over 25 years of Photoshop use has me locked into a way that image editing should work. This is fantastic and timely.

After 25 years of Photoshop, is it really intuition, or is it just habit?

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by tonmoy »

IdiotSavage wrote: post #153
Matl wrote: post #106

While all the comments about GIMP needing a total UX overhaul etc. are likely valid, it's worth noting that there's something like 2 people working on the bulk of GIMP at the moment. It's not a startup that has just raised a series A and opened a flashy San Francisco office. All that is to say that I don't think the problem is the GIMP devs not knowing what the problems are and needing them explained over and over ag…

As an outsider, trying to make some UI/UX changes in old open source projects is often extremely energy consuming and difficult. You have to convince all the old hands, who feel it's their project (maybe rightfully so) that the changes are good for new users. Old users will mostly fight any change (don't want to relearn). Many discussions end with "maybe let's make this a setting?". This leads to crappy software with…

Another outsider, but Krita seem to be doing really well keeping their UX up to date. To the point where I often use it for a lot of stuff meant to be done by GIMP

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by F3nd0 »

chiffre01 wrote: post #41

I've never understood GIMP's approach to copy paste either. They've made a decision that copy and paste must require as many un-intuitive steps as possible. Most graphics programs let you select a region, copy it and then move the copy around to where you want it, the end. You can usually paste into new layer if needed. But not in GIMP for some reason you have to copy something and 'anchor it' or convert it to a new…

> But not in GIMP for some reason you have to copy something and 'anchor it' or convert it to a new layer before you ever see it.

I select something, copy it, paste it, and I can see and move it right away. Is that not working for you? I’m on GIMP 3.2.2.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by yborg »

thisislife2 wrote: post #67

The argument over the UI in GIMP and Photoshop is actually based on the kind of "false" premise that Photoshop has a "superior" UI. It reminds of my first experience using macOS, as a long time Windows user. The first few months on macOS was a totally frustrating and negative experience for me - "What the ...? why does the ENTER key not open files or folders? Why is it going to 'rename' mode? Why doesn't double-click…

I don't think it's that PS has a better UI it's that so many people spent years in it because it became the de facto standard in graphic design work. Given the choice between doing work and learning a totally different interface so you can do work is choice many people won't make.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by mixmastamyk »

lynndotpy wrote: post #151
mixmastamyk wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ask anyone under fifty what "pulp fiction" was and prepare to get mostly blank stares. Can barely remember it myself. Reminds me of those creeps in "Footloose" trying to outlaw dancing. Puritanism can get fucked. ;-)

I'm gen Z, we know what Pulp Fiction is. Even the gen alphas do. We just had a crossover in Fortnite, and Pulp Fiction is in the Chainsaw Man opening. I'm anti-Puritan as well, but there are far better hills to die on. In either case, it's moot, since "gimp" is also used as an ableist slur. I haven't seen Footloose, but we don't need analogies to fictional movie villains. The facts are that they decided to give GIMP…

Sorry, a focus on thirty year old movies and "ableist slur"s puts you far outside the mainstream. These are simply not concerns of every day people, and doubly so for the half that voted tRump.
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