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OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by iejwjw »

mekael wrote: post #136
12arwlaz wrote: post #90

So that is $15.6 million in a year. You could get a decent application for that instead of broken slop if you spend it on human salaries.

I’ve worked for companies with less than that in total personnel expenditures (100ish people) and they were actually economically productive / provided a tangible service. With 15 million and a year(ish) I could spin up dedicated teams to build multiple profitable applications. That sounds like hubris, and maybe it is, but i’m pretty confident given my domain knowledge. Has everyone gone crazy?

Yes they’ve gone crazy :)

Cool heads will prevail

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by wolvoleo »

VerTiGo_Etrex wrote: post #105
vrganj wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But.... why ? Like I read his thing on how he spends the tokens [0] and it sounds like satire. He has agents write shitty code for features other agents think other people want, then has it reviewed by other agents in hopes of catching bugs that the first agent put there, then has some more agents try to find security bugs in the now double-agented code to make it triple-agented and at the end of the day, he spent a…

But this is okay? “He has /people/ write shitty code for features other /people/ think other people want, then has it reviewed by other /people/ in hopes of catching bugs that the first /people/ put there, then has some more /people/ try to find security bugs in the now /double-peopled/ code to make it /triple-peopled/ and at the end of the day, he spent a shitton of /money, the people/ probably emitted enough carbon…

With the rate our planet is heating up, there may be nobody left to skate after the puck.

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by wilkystyle »

nlawalker wrote: post #150

It’s hilarious to me, seeing that one of the most fundamental challenges and frustrations of the profession of software development is the inability of management to meaningfully measure productivity and resorting to proxy measures, that a huge and vocal community of software developers have themselves become focused on a metric that maps directly to dollars spent.

Was already astounded that after decades of universally agreeing that number of lines of code is a terrible metric for software engineering productivity, devs are now using it as the proof that agentic software development is the future. Can't wrap my head around how lighting money on fire is now apparently something to maximize [0].

[0] https://old.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/1teswot/pe...

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by wolvoleo »

danpalmer wrote: post #56
voidfunc wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

500m tokens is easy... I'm burning about 2b a week.

Anyone can burn tokens. Using them for something useful is the hard part.

The AI hype sometimes feels like that scene in Mr Robot where they have the CIO light a bag of money on fire :)

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by throwa356262 »

Philip-J-Fry wrote: post #27

So he's spent $20k in one day. There's not a chance in hell he's actually doing productive work with all these tokens. Grifters gonna grift. What a state of affairs.

I bet you that if openclaw had better context management or could correctly switch to cheaper models for simpler jobs that number would be much lower.

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by hansmayer »

pama wrote: post #72
MattDaEskimo wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it misleading if this would be the consumer's cost? Eventually Codex's subscription subsidization will diminish to near-zero, like the rest of the providers. It's extremely important that people understand how expensive these models currently are. Even $300k in raw API costs is alarming for the output.

Peter shows the near-term future. Raw API consumer price cost is arbitrary. (The frontier labs can put a 100x markup to cover other operational expenses.) The true cost of inference with same-capability models keeps dropping at dizzying rates, especially at the data-center batch size. (Due to both NVidia hardware and algorithmic changes.) So the developments that Peter can achieve today with internal support from Ope…

Peter shows shit. What did Peter meaningfully achieve? What additional revenue is he creating? ah yes - shit and more shit on all accounts as it seems.

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by hansmayer »

browningstreet wrote: post #115
vrganj wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But.... why ? Like I read his thing on how he spends the tokens [0] and it sounds like satire. He has agents write shitty code for features other agents think other people want, then has it reviewed by other agents in hopes of catching bugs that the first agent put there, then has some more agents try to find security bugs in the now double-agented code to make it triple-agented and at the end of the day, he spent a…

I don’t use openclaw myself anymore, but this agonizing is thin and unbearable. He did a thing. People use the thing. He got paid for the thing. He iterates the thing. What’s hard to understand about this? The morality issues about consumption climate impacts are not his alone, and are not unique by itself to his endeavor. Every company with an enterprise LLM agreement has a share, for instance.

> I don’t use openclaw myself anymore

Firstly, who TF would use that crap in the first place at all? Yeah, he did some crap he got paid for. So did the people who created the addictive algorithms for social and media or creators of the brainrot videos that infest kids' minds. Should we applaud them too?

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by hansmayer »

VerTiGo_Etrex wrote: post #105
vrganj wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But.... why ? Like I read his thing on how he spends the tokens [0] and it sounds like satire. He has agents write shitty code for features other agents think other people want, then has it reviewed by other agents in hopes of catching bugs that the first agent put there, then has some more agents try to find security bugs in the now double-agented code to make it triple-agented and at the end of the day, he spent a…

But this is okay? “He has /people/ write shitty code for features other /people/ think other people want, then has it reviewed by other /people/ in hopes of catching bugs that the first /people/ put there, then has some more /people/ try to find security bugs in the now /double-peopled/ code to make it /triple-peopled/ and at the end of the day, he spent a shitton of /money, the people/ probably emitted enough carbon…

Do not equate people with bullshit LLMs, please.

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by lbrito »

therealpygon wrote: post #125
Tiberium wrote: post #24

This is quite a misleading title because this is the raw API cost, but he (obviously) has unlimited usage as an OpenAI employee. Moreover, if you use e.g. the $200 Codex sub, you get about ~$5k-$6k monthly API usage if you spend every week of your usage, if not more, which shows that the raw API cost is not how much it (likely) costs to OpenAI, unless they're subsidizing all this. He did clarify that it was with fast…

Hey guys, I’m super good at using tokens. Business: Amazing, that’s great what did you do? I ran 50 instances and had them all fix the same bugs at the same time and then analyzed the results of all 50 runs to have AI score each of the attempts, then sort them, then compare them to each other in a round robin tournament style double elimination to ensure I got the best result. Then I had AI convert this into a skill,…

Sounds like a brilliant promo project!

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by lbrito »

namenotrequired wrote: post #66
MattDaEskimo wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it misleading if this would be the consumer's cost? Eventually Codex's subscription subsidization will diminish to near-zero, like the rest of the providers. It's extremely important that people understand how expensive these models currently are. Even $300k in raw API costs is alarming for the output.

> How is it misleading if this would be the consumer's cost? Because it does not say “equivalent of”, it literally says he spent money that he did not spend

If anything it cost more than the title, because customer costs are wildly subsidized.

So yeah its misleading but in the other direction.

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