Dutch suicide prevention website shares data with tech companies without consent

Post by simonw » Wed, May 13, 2026, 4:18 PM UTC

philipwhiuk wrote: post #112

simonw wrote: post #99

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What does Google do with analytics data that's not acceptable to you? https://support.google.com/analytics/answer/1011397 says "Regardless of your data sharing settings, your Analytics data may also be used only insofar as necessary to Maintain and protect the Analytics service."

> Maintain and protect the Analytics service This is a pretty broad leash. "To maintain the analytics service we need to make money"

Post by some_random » Wed, May 13, 2026, 4:21 PM UTC

timcobb wrote: post #138

some_random wrote: post #128

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Most people don't believe in incremental progress anymore, either it works 100% of the time and solves everything forever or it's a failure and you probably wanted it to fail because you're evil.

No I believe that what you have with the 11 percent decrease is reflective of diversity among people and what causes crisis. Suicide hotlines work for some people in some cases, that is undeniable. But it's not incremental in that you're not going to then iterate on the hotline and make it more effective and one day we've got 20% and so on. That won't be the case because the hotline is just not appealing for many peo…

Post by some_random » Wed, May 13, 2026, 4:22 PM UTC

watwut wrote: post #101

timcobb wrote: post #94

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Sure, concretely, my point was that hotlines are a very capitalist feeling thing for me. Probably because of trying to deal with corporiations, from monopolies/utilities to things like airlines. My experience in this realm has been one of alienation. So, taking the hotline and applying it to people in suicidal crisis is like peak alienation in my mind. Personally, I'm not anti-capitalist, but capitalism to me is tied…

They are literally government paid social service you can call without additional charge. What the hell is capitalist about it? Also Dutch give you health insurance beyond covid shot.

Post by edwinjm » Wed, May 13, 2026, 4:31 PM UTC

JohnFen wrote: post #41

This kind of thing is why I wouldn't touch a site like that. Websites, service providers, and internet-connected software that collects data from you can't be trusted even a little, so I avoid them to the greatest degree I can. The rule of thumb is that anything you tell to them, or any data you have put in their custody, is at risk.

Post by edwinjm » Wed, May 13, 2026, 4:39 PM UTC

josefritzishere wrote: post #71

If nto illegal, it seems clear that is inappropriate.