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Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by piva00 »

pixel_popping wrote: post #146
intended wrote: post #137

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Where will this ubi money come from when there is no one to tax and profits are going to tech firms based in America.

I don't have enough expertise in this field but I don't think we should be thinking only with a doomsday scenario, humans are quite resilient and innovative, society will completely change and I genuinely believe we will find ways, there will be a lot of suffering in between (and maybe after as well, as there is now) but we might eventually reach a point in automation where a lot of prices drop to the point where it'…

Of course humans will adapt, the core issue is how we can avoid as much suffering as possible while these changes happen, that's always the point. No one wants to live a life during a transitional period in history where suffering is increased, as a species we should be working to alleviate that.

What's the point of progress if we keep repeating the same mistakes of leaving miserable people behind? Is that progress or just a repetition of the cycle with new shiny things?

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by pixel_popping »

piva00 wrote: post #149
pixel_popping wrote: post #119

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Why "ruins"? just because it's not made by a human? AI-made music is frankly pretty good, do you actually listen to it?

What's the point of listening to purely AI-generated music? I don't mean music that has AI-generated stems as part of an arrangement, where a human actually created it and used AI for bits and pieces, I don't see absolutely any point on listening to purely AI-generated music. The fundamental essence of music is emotion, listening to something generated without emotion has no point, it might sound good but it's hollow…

Many music that are in autoplay on Spotify are AI and I literally didn't know until I checked, the emotion was triggered successfully, I don't really see why only a human could be able to trigger you an emotion? Like if I'm at a party, let say I don't know the artist and everything is AI made and everybody is vibing, then what's "wrong" with it?

I think this is more of a musician side which I respect, but a lot of people would simply not care who created it (or what).

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by ianm218 »

saghm wrote: post #99
ianm218 wrote: post #73

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Isn't it bad now that Sam Altman and the others are backpedaling on this and going "jobs are going to still exist you just can't imagine them!" because the PR problem was getting so big? [1] Like don't we want people running these companies to be honest to the public rather than misdirection? [1]. https://www.platformer.news/sam-altman-ai-backlash/

Which one of those things he said do you consider "honest" and not PR? Both of them sound like PR to me, just aimed at different audiences

I think before he thought OpenAI was going to make him a trillionaire he was more honest about X Risk and job displacement since he didn't have the incentive to lie. Most early AI thinkers saw AI as more dangerous than nukes.

> We founded Anthropic because we believe the impact of AI might be comparable to that of the industrial and scientific revolutions, but we aren’t confident it will go well. [1]

[1]. https://www.anthropic.com/news/core-views-on-ai-safety

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

breakpointalpha wrote: post #136
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #63

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> show them a future that doesn't leave them in abject poverty To be fair, this isn’t the commencement speaker’s job.

If this is sarcasm, it's amazing. If not, depressing. I would 100% expect a commencement speaker to be hyping me up for what comes next.

> would 100% expect a commencement speaker to be hyping me up

That’s what this speaker was trying to do. The problem is it was stupid and dishonest. It could have been done properly. But none of that will rise to the level of a roadmap. If you’re looking for a roadmap at commencement, you were failed at multiple steps before.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by pixel_popping »

unconed wrote: post #147
pixelpoet wrote: post #132

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I agree, it's shockingly good these days; we can argue about morality etc, fine, but burying one's head in the sand and claiming it's bad puts you at odds with reality, which isn't a good place to be. It's pretty silly that so many people take as an axiom that the human brain basically has a monopoly on certain patterns of electrical signals, and have semi-religious beliefs that this will always be the case.

It's not that AI can't convince a novice that what comes out is passible. It's that experts in a field generally agree that what comes out is insidiously hollow garbage. This isn't a "semi-religious" belief. It's linear token soup and diffusion bakes running headfirst into actual expertise, second and third order effects, refined skill and taste, and so on. If you actually want to see civilization advance, you cannot…

But you really believe it will stay that way? What do you think models will be 10 years from now? (not only models, we must include processes and tools in it) - developers were thinking this until recently there is some sort of sudden switch where "shit, it's good enough" and then pass this in a 50x loop and suddenly it becomes "shit, it's actually great" which proves it's a matter of time imo before it's not hollow garbage but actually innovative and expert in its field.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by piva00 »

pixel_popping wrote: post #152
piva00 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the point of listening to purely AI-generated music? I don't mean music that has AI-generated stems as part of an arrangement, where a human actually created it and used AI for bits and pieces, I don't see absolutely any point on listening to purely AI-generated music. The fundamental essence of music is emotion, listening to something generated without emotion has no point, it might sound good but it's hollow…

Many music that are in autoplay on Spotify are AI and I literally didn't know until I checked, the emotion was triggered successfully, I don't really see why only a human could be able to trigger you an emotion? Like if I'm at a party, let say I don't know the artist and everything is AI made and everybody is vibing, then what's "wrong" with it? I think this is more of a musician side which I respect, but a lot of pe…

Most people don't care about music, as most don't care about art in general. People like entertainment though.

What you are describing is more akin to a form of hollow entertainment through the medium of music, a lot of pop music can also fall into that category (no, not all, there is also a lot of artistry is many pop artists/songs).

If AI-generated music triggers emotions on you then keep consuming it but knowing that it's a hollow form of the art, there's no one on the other side communicating with you, it's basically like having a conversation with a chatbot, it might sound human but you know that there's no one on the other side listening to you. AI music is the other way: there's no one on the other side telling you a story, or a feeling they went through, it's just a mimesis of it.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by filoeleven »

ilaksh wrote: post #115
teachrdan wrote: post #105

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> But how much would you like to bet that 90% of those students who were booing also used AI to do their homework for them quite often? So your take away would be "the AI stole their education". No, they were dishonest and the AI helped them cheat themselves out of learning. This is like saying a smoker can't criticize the tobacco industry. It's entirely possible to recognize that AI in school is a huge problem while…

Again that is a problem with the group of people and how they use technology rather than the technology itself. I will die on this hill: AI _properly_ integrated into education will be a huge improvement for students because it will enable each student to have personalized instruction and tutoring.

Will they get AI to stop lying first?

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by Planktonne »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #57
lsy wrote: post #33

There's a very real possibility that AI proponents completely lose the next generation of adults. The output is not enjoyable to consume, the people who rely on it are not cool, and the effects of using it are unpleasant and hard to defend on aesthetic, intellectual, or moral grounds. There are real use cases for this technology! But the idea that the generation of superficially plausible text is "the next Industrial…

> a very real possibility that AI proponents completely lose the next generation of adults I doubt it. AI seems fundamentally useful. If the guys at the top can’t get their shit together with messaging and strategy, and it increasingly looks like they can’t, they’ll be replaced before an entire generation is potentially rendered permanently uncompetitive. (And to be clear, there is no rush to adopt.) > We desperately…

> We need our generation’s Dickens, Tolstoys, Sinclairs and Whitmans.

They're out there, but the artists are roundly anti-AI; if you want their input, you have to listen to what they're saying, rather than pretending that dissenting voices are uninformed.

Re: Students boo commencement speaker after she calls AI next industrial revolution

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Post by timmytokyo »

deaux wrote: post #126
ryandrake wrote: post #35

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I mean, duh. Do we really think someone with the title of "vice president of strategic alliances at Tavistock Group" lives in the same universe as the rest of us? In her alternative universe, Zucc and Bezos are heroes to look up to. These people have no actual interaction with the rest of us, and just assume their world view is universally held. Look how genuinely surprised she was by the audience's reaction. In thei…

> I mean, duh Clearly people don't consider it obvious, considering my comment got flagged.

You blasphemed a few of the patron saints.
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