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Re: Remind HN: Today is Mother's Day, call your moms

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Post by malfist »

eudamoniac wrote: post #146
malfist wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you really trying to argue that pedophilia is morally ambiguous?

Obviously it is. Millions of years of human society thought marriage/sex with 13 year olds was fine until suddenly a couple hundred years ago. Yes I know that's not true pedophilia, but real child marriage was also quite common and considered normal and not immoral. Fwiw I am not a moral subjectivist, but this is HN; if we're pretending cultures are relatively equal in value and empiricism is the expected outlook, th…

Wow. That's, um, quite a statement you made there. Adults having sex with 13 year olds is a morally ambiguous situation to you.

Re: Remind HN: Today is Mother's Day, call your moms

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Post by eudamoniac »

malfist wrote: post #151
eudamoniac wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obviously it is. Millions of years of human society thought marriage/sex with 13 year olds was fine until suddenly a couple hundred years ago. Yes I know that's not true pedophilia, but real child marriage was also quite common and considered normal and not immoral. Fwiw I am not a moral subjectivist, but this is HN; if we're pretending cultures are relatively equal in value and empiricism is the expected outlook, th…

Wow. That's, um, quite a statement you made there. Adults having sex with 13 year olds is a morally ambiguous situation to you.

Yes, thank you for restating part of my comment. If you'd care to engage with the substance of the rest of the point please feel free at any time. This isn't Reddit where you get to just write an istophobe aspersion and collect the upvotes.

Re: Remind HN: Today is Mother's Day, call your moms

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Post by malfist »

eudamoniac wrote: post #152
malfist wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow. That's, um, quite a statement you made there. Adults having sex with 13 year olds is a morally ambiguous situation to you.

Yes, thank you for restating part of my comment. If you'd care to engage with the substance of the rest of the point please feel free at any time. This isn't Reddit where you get to just write an istophobe aspersion and collect the upvotes.

Sorry, I don't think there is value in debating the morality of an unambiguously immoral action. There's no value to give it weight, the whole premise is flawed.

Re: Remind HN: Today is Mother's Day, call your moms

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Post by 31carmichael »

Balgair wrote: post #125
treis wrote: post #117

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This is not true on just so many levels. Lots of people have mothers not worthy of the name. I don't know exactly what fatherhood being a theory and motherhood being a fact means but I struggle to find any that isn't offensive to fathers.

O'Rourke was a conservative satirist (back when that could even be a thing), was semi-famous for his long term appearances on NPR's Wait Wait Don't Tell Me , and was an advocate for gonzo journalism. I take his quote to mean that motherhood is more difficult than fatherhood, especially back in the time he was active. The quote should, I feel, not be observed as a factual statement, but rather in the vein of his polit…

You probably don't understand most clever jokes. O'Rourke's would clearly be lost on you.

Re: Remind HN: Today is Mother's Day, call your moms

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Post by eudamoniac »

malfist wrote: post #153
eudamoniac wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, thank you for restating part of my comment. If you'd care to engage with the substance of the rest of the point please feel free at any time. This isn't Reddit where you get to just write an istophobe aspersion and collect the upvotes.

Sorry, I don't think there is value in debating the morality of an unambiguously immoral action. There's no value to give it weight, the whole premise is flawed.

Well I'm glad you/we are more enlightened than the hundred billion previous humans who all had complex moral reasoning facilities but failed spectacularly to use them. I guess Aristotle and Plato and Aquinas were just idiots who couldn't see the unambiguous, objectively correct moral standards that you know of intrinsically.

Edit: serves me right for phone posting; I have you muted on the desktop with an extension, seemingly for good reason

Re: Remind HN: Today is Mother's Day, call your moms

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Post by codeulike »

pluc wrote: post #136
nickt wrote: post #86

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In the UK (and a few other places) it’s “Mothering Sunday”, the day you honour the church where you were baptised, or your mother church. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothering_Sunday

Well that just seems like a completely different thing that share a few letters

I'm in the UK and I've never heard of that definition of it (being to do with churches), maybe thats a very ancient definiton

Re: Remind HN: Today is Mother's Day, call your moms

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Post by Biganon »

pluc wrote: post #136
nickt wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the UK (and a few other places) it’s “Mothering Sunday”, the day you honour the church where you were baptised, or your mother church. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothering_Sunday

Well that just seems like a completely different thing that share a few letters

Add a few more letters and you get my favorite day of the year

Re: Remind HN: Today is Mother's Day, call your moms

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Post by sgt »

malfist wrote: post #131
sgt wrote: post #43

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Give her a call regardless. Perhaps that's the first step to letting it sink in for her that you actually care about her.

My mother has said she would prefer I die by suicide than continue living in sin. I am deeply shameful to her. I will not call her. It benefits neither of us.

Have you considered she got so emotional she went completely overboard? It's not unheard of, and parents like that regret what they said but they don't have the ability to rectify it alone. So it's on you to try.

Re: Remind HN: Today is Mother's Day, call your moms

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Post by croon »

kstrauser wrote: post #39

This is the first year when I can’t do that. Please go do it on my behalf, while it’s possible.

Coming up on 20 years here, and what I'll say is it gets easier, but increasingly sad is that the specific memories fade and only the more general memories remain.

It pains me that she never got to meet her grand kids, and vice versa.

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