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California leaders report four to six weeks worth of gasoline and diesel supply

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Post by flumpmaster »

johnvanommen wrote: post #132
daedrdev wrote: post #36

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CA’s requirement that it gets its own blend of gas is combined with how its openly hostile towards its ever decreasing refineries and that it is impossible for a new refinery to ever open makes it’s supplies absurdly limited

> CA’s requirement that it gets its own blend of gas is combined with how its openly hostile towards its ever decreasing refineries and that it is impossible for a new refinery to ever open makes it’s supplies absurdly limited A big one is a lack of pipelines. As I understand it, California sits on so much oil, nobody has built a pipeline. Building an energy pipeline in California is like bringing sand to the beach.…

There are plenty of crude oil and refined product pipelines in California.

For example crude oil is produced mid state in the San Joaquin valley and pumped by pipeline to the Bay Area and LA refineries.

Refined product from LA is delivered by pipeline from LA refineries as far east as Phoenix and up to Las Vegas.

Building new pipelines in California though is…challenging.

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Post by jandrewrogers »

TheGRS wrote: post #67
pear01 wrote: post #53

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In such a situation - especially heading into the midterms - an export ban may be increasingly probable.

This is way outside of my area of expertise, but I thought US export oil was not fungible with what we consume.

US crude oil is exported to foreign refineries for blending purposes. By blending low-quality crude with high-quality crude it can reduce the total costs to the refiner even after accounting for the fact that you had to buy high-quality crude to improve the properties of the domestic crude.

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Post by mikeyouse »

vkou wrote: post #46
tialaramex wrote: post #14

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Surely an example of being ready would be to electrify everything?

The rest of the developed world is banning ICE car sales, meanwhile the US is scrapping its wind farms, because doing it trolls the left.

Not just scrapping them - literally paying foreign companies billions of dollars to not build wind farms. Illegally as well, there’s absolutely no authority for these payments to happen outside of Congress.

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Post by dylan604 »

com2kid wrote: post #133
dylan604 wrote: post #115

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I was very pleasantly surprised at how much my single cargo e-bike can handle. It is big, nearly the size of a tandem bike, but it served me well for 5 years of not having a car. Curious about your maintenance needs. I have a guy that comes out once a year for service and tunes it up for me. After 3 years, I replaced the chain. I've upgraded to hydraulic brakes by the same guy. Other than that, it's been smooth ridin…

I haven't had to do any work on my EV in the 2 years I've had it. I'm due for a cabin air filter change in another couple years. So yes the bike is costing me more in maintenance! It is hard to compete with 0.

Does the eBike have a monthly payment plus a required insurance policy? The EV still costs way more to own which is the most important factor

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Post by annoyingnoob »

GenerWork wrote: post #106
annoyingnoob wrote: post #98

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We could die chocking on the air that produces too. Understand the history in CA and the reasons we have special gas. Would you really want to hurt children for cheaper gas? Really? https://today.usc.edu/las-environmental-success-story-cleane...

Those rules around special gasoline were made when both federal and California car exhaust regulations were much looser than today, and electric cars were a complete pipe dream. I've seen estimates ranging for savings from $.25 to $1 per gallon if California dropped the requirements. >Would you really want to hurt children for cheaper gas? Nice appeal to emotion.

You obviously never loved through LA Smog. You never had to stay inside or skip school because the air was too dirty to breathe. Take a look at how it was: https://www.ccair.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/LA-smog.jpg

Cars may burn cleaner but they still burn, and there are more of them than ever.

Easing economic pain in exchange for health pain is nonsensical. Breathe from your own tailpipe if its no big deal.

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Post by triceratops »

bdcravens wrote: post #148
triceratops wrote: post #117

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But the more renewables get used the less true that is.

Possibly, or more infrastructure is needed to support the growing demand for renewables, and the equipment is often trucked around using standard freight (large trucks or airplanes), concrete trucks to pour slabs, etc.

Electric trucks are rapidly becoming a thing. And even if not, more trucks delivering equipment for renewables get balanced out by more EVs.

Not to mention natural gas and oil will always need to be shipped around. Whereas when you have enough renewables and a grid that can supply enough electricity, shipping panels and batteries drops by a lot.

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Post by annoyingnoob »

oceanplexian wrote: post #107
annoyingnoob wrote: post #98

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We could die chocking on the air that produces too. Understand the history in CA and the reasons we have special gas. Would you really want to hurt children for cheaper gas? Really? https://today.usc.edu/las-environmental-success-story-cleane...

Texas has plenty of refineries and the children there aren’t dying or choking on the air.

Different geography/topology. https://www.clarity.io/blog/a-closer-look-at-los-angeles-inf...

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Post by whatthesmack »

neaden wrote: post #28
iqihs wrote: post #5

the entire economy of California being dependent on how Iran is feeling on a given day is crazy work

Who do you think started the current war?

Iran did, by killing over 1000 Americans over the last 47 years.
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