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Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by sandworm101 »

hephaes7us wrote: post #139
Aurornis wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Market is forcing people to become renters than buyers and there is no force countering that idea. The doomerism surrounding this topic is wild. Gas prices have also gone up recently, but I don't see the same claims about how it's the end of personal vehicles, that the prices are never coming down, or that we're all becoming renters instead of buyers. Saying that there isn't a force countering this is peak doomeris…

If you don't see people talking about the "end of personal vehicles", it could just be that you haven't looked very hard. It's intuitively obvious to a lot of people that the era of personal, wholly owned transportation is waning. A lot of people seem to miss the second clause of that old "you'll own nothing" phase, the part where most people are happy about it! When vehicles drive themselves, and there's a large eno…

Because renting will likely never be cheaper. Maybe the occasional city dweller may see a profit, but those of us who spend hours in our cars each day will not.

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by dec0dedab0de »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #148
throwway120385 wrote: post #142

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I think it's really easy to blame one or another specific group for the "market failure" but the reality is that if there were 100B worth of capital looking for 1T worth of gross over 10 years there would be a lot of places that would welcome that kind of spending. I think it's probable that in specific places there's been push back, and those places are probably where the work was historically concentrated. But if t…

It is happening to production facilities across the US. Both new production facilities and expansion of existing facilities. The locale doesn't seem to make a difference. As with the sudden inexplicable "concern" about data center construction, I don't think this activism is organic.

As with the sudden inexplicable "concern" about data center construction, I don't think this activism is organic.

I don't think it is sudden, there was much of the same concern about Amazon warehouses and anything else that cuts down trees, disrupting wildlife, and human neighbors. The reason it is more of a concern with modern datacenters is because they don't come with a significant amount of new jobs for the communities they are affecting. People will put up with a lot if means their unemployed loved ones can get on their feet.

With AI being a looming threat to everyone's livelihood it is compounding the reaction, not only do these datacenters not provide new jobs, they are actively contributing to people losing their current jobs.

If these new datacenters were going into empty buildings in cities that already had adequate infrastructure, then no one would care. They would still be against ai in general, but the datacenters wouldn't be a problem.

edit:

They could probably get a ton of support if they went into one of the many cities with crumbling infrastructure, took over abandoned buildings, and paid to fix up the roads and stuff. Like if they moved into an abandoned factory in flint, and fixed the water supply they could be heros.

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by yieldcrv »

dwa3592 wrote: post #86

We bought a 2TB Sandisk SSD back in 2024 for around $95 from best buy. Today 1TB ssd by sandisk is $166(the cheapest that i found, and it goes for $199 in walmart). Market is forcing people to become renters than buyers and there is no force countering that idea. Its a market failure that people will study 10-15 years from now. EDIT- The same 2TB ssd is now $329.99 at bestbuy.

and 2TB SSD's in 2020 were expensive too, after dropping to lows late last decade

ebbs and flows

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by BizarroLand »

hephaes7us wrote: post #139
Aurornis wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Market is forcing people to become renters than buyers and there is no force countering that idea. The doomerism surrounding this topic is wild. Gas prices have also gone up recently, but I don't see the same claims about how it's the end of personal vehicles, that the prices are never coming down, or that we're all becoming renters instead of buyers. Saying that there isn't a force countering this is peak doomeris…

If you don't see people talking about the "end of personal vehicles", it could just be that you haven't looked very hard. It's intuitively obvious to a lot of people that the era of personal, wholly owned transportation is waning. A lot of people seem to miss the second clause of that old "you'll own nothing" phase, the part where most people are happy about it! When vehicles drive themselves, and there's a large eno…

Probably everyone that doesn't live in a dense metropolitan area, and anyone that can do the math that "Owning my vehicle for 100,000 miles costs an average of $0.50/mile compared to the $1+/mile getting a lift costs, and once it's done I still have whatever value remains in my vehicle"

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by mrtksn »

throw0101c wrote: post #110
mrtksn wrote: post #104

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It is a market failure as the markets fail to cater for the demand due to structural factors. It’s basically designing database structure that causes huge latency due to use pattern changes and you are not able to alter the structure because that will demand even more painful downtime and latency and the pattern may eventually change and make the alterations redundant.

> It is a market failure as the markets fail to cater for the demand due to structural factors. The Market™ is perhaps going after higher margins. If you can charge $200 instead of $100 for a widget, why wouldn't you? Ideally at some point someone will see the margins and be motivated to go after some of it and offer things for $190, but the ROI on upfront fab costs given market risks may not be high enough for the b…

That’s why it’s market failure, not some specific company failure

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by walrus01 »

dwa3592 wrote: post #86

We bought a 2TB Sandisk SSD back in 2024 for around $95 from best buy. Today 1TB ssd by sandisk is $166(the cheapest that i found, and it goes for $199 in walmart). Market is forcing people to become renters than buyers and there is no force countering that idea. Its a market failure that people will study 10-15 years from now. EDIT- The same 2TB ssd is now $329.99 at bestbuy.

I remember buying a 80GB Intel SATA SSD (which was $450 USD at the time) and putting it into the DVD drive bay in a 2009 17" Macbook Pro. At the time there was no official SSD support, but there was an aluminum holder you could buy to remove the slimline slot loading DVD drive, and put a 2.5" form factor (7.5 or 9.5mm?) height SSD or HDD in its place. Was a huge performance increase for the OS/boot drive.

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by scuppernong »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #138
hikarudo wrote: post #97

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It's not a market failure, it's just supply and demand. There are many computer components competing for the same resources (fabs, wafers). Demand for GPUs, RAM etc. has increased a lot due to AI, but supply is still the same due to new fabs being huge investments that take years to build. Of course the price goes up.

This was avoidable. Over $100B of new production capacity in the US alone has been in the works for years. The usual "environmental and community concerns" lawsuits and activism that plagues building in the US has delayed almost every single one of these projects by multiple years. NIMBYs and degrowth activists own this particular "market failure". The companies have been trying to invest in capacity ahead of demand…

there is no serious degrowth movement in the US. absolutely delusional to pin anything, positive or negative, on them.

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by dheera »

hikarudo wrote: post #97
dwa3592 wrote: post #86

We bought a 2TB Sandisk SSD back in 2024 for around $95 from best buy. Today 1TB ssd by sandisk is $166(the cheapest that i found, and it goes for $199 in walmart). Market is forcing people to become renters than buyers and there is no force countering that idea. Its a market failure that people will study 10-15 years from now. EDIT- The same 2TB ssd is now $329.99 at bestbuy.

It's not a market failure, it's just supply and demand. There are many computer components competing for the same resources (fabs, wafers). Demand for GPUs, RAM etc. has increased a lot due to AI, but supply is still the same due to new fabs being huge investments that take years to build. Of course the price goes up.

It is market failure when normal people can't afford technology that they used to be able to afford.

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by lostlogin »

Adachi91 wrote: post #123
thelastgallon wrote: post #117

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When people talk about AI investments of trillions of dollars, its never mentioned how high a price we are paying at a planetary scale in externalities. Billions of people are now paying a lot more for these components, memory, ssd, cpu; all these costs must be factored into the total cost of AI. AI companies are being subsidized at the expense of consumers. The current supply chains were built for consumer demand, w…

True, I've been searching for 2 weeks now for components to get a PC back online. I suspect the VRM blew in my motherboard, and trying to find x570 or b550 old Gen tech is drying up because that's the only thing affordable. Meanwhile decent 3D cache CPU + motherboard combos afe going cheap because they can't move stock. The price looks nice but the second you add DDR5 RAM it is just a gut punch. Scalpers are taking a…

So you pay for parts that are all very expensive due to AI in order to get the machine online so that you can pay for AI subscriptions to do work that is disappearing due to job cuts due to AI.

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by thrill »

didgetmaster wrote: post #112
xattt wrote: post #61

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Yes, but with all that data, how much heavier does it get?

It depends on the data. I heard that ones are heavier than zeros.

Yes, this why drives come in the mail pre-wiped - it saves on shipping.
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