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New statue in London, attributed to Banksy, of a suited man, blinded by a flag

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Re: New statue in London, attributed to Banksy, of a suited man, blinded by a flag

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Why nationalism? A flag can represent more than a nation. Can be blinded by any "flag" / ideology.

Flags overwhelmingly represent nations, groups considering themselves nations, that were nations or have some kind of individual governmental status.

Flags also represent causes, or groups that don’t aspire to becoming a nation.

Re: New statue in London, attributed to Banksy, of a suited man, blinded by a flag

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So ... Hamas does not want to do ethnic cleansing and attempted that a couple of times, but simply were not as powerful to have a bigger impact?

Resistance to illegal occupation and colonization isn't ethnic cleansing, it's a legal right as ruled by every international body since Israel was formed. Totally false equivalence.

If you want to remove a certain set of people from land (people who were born there btw.) you are engaging in ethnic cleansing. The definition is clear here.

Re: New statue in London, attributed to Banksy, of a suited man, blinded by a flag

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I think it's a reasonable statue. But does anyone else think it's a bit obvious, more so than his other work? Like there is no doubt on the meaning at all, it's all right there on the surface level.

This one definitely lacks ambition compared to other works. Probably because his other work had a subversive undertone, this one seems sponsored by the powers that be. I also suspect it was installed with cooperation from the local authorities.

The “powers that be” hate ideology?

Re: New statue in London, attributed to Banksy, of a suited man, blinded by a flag

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"Blinded by nationalism" I don't know, seems like a clear concise message that has relevance in today's world.

Is it though? This can mean anything. Is waving a Palestinian flag the same as waving an Israeli flag? Where do we draw the line between harmful and productive nationalism? Who exactly is blinded by nationalism? It is vague enough to appear deep to those trying to find something deep but not concrete enough to appear as anything that will stick in people's minds for more than a week. Unfortunately a lot of modern art…

> Is waving a Palestinian flag the same as waving an Israeli flag?

Waving a flag is not a problem in itself. You can be proud of being part of whatever group you like and not hurt anyone. The problem is when the flag becomes the prism through which you see the world. Or, as the statue puts it, when you’re blinded by it.

Re: New statue in London, attributed to Banksy, of a suited man, blinded by a flag

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Don't be part of anything bigger than yourself that treats you as expendable human oil.

Stop and reflect for a moment. Then continue as usual (quite likely)

I had to check your other comments and now I get it that you still regard flags as having some sacred meaning in the great national past, but for me they always were about gathering as much human expendables underneath.

Sure, they might have had generated enough sacred reverence, those bloodbaths of past.

Re: New statue in London, attributed to Banksy, of a suited man, blinded by a flag

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Is it though? This can mean anything. Is waving a Palestinian flag the same as waving an Israeli flag? Where do we draw the line between harmful and productive nationalism? Who exactly is blinded by nationalism? It is vague enough to appear deep to those trying to find something deep but not concrete enough to appear as anything that will stick in people's minds for more than a week. Unfortunately a lot of modern art…

Both Israel and Palestine are blinded by ideology. It is a very common failure mode for people.

When one is a colony of the other the flag of the colonized has added symbol of decolonization. The flag of the colonizers has no such symbol, quite the contrary in fact. These two flags are clearly distinct.

Re: New statue in London, attributed to Banksy, of a suited man, blinded by a flag

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Are you from the UK and know what the piece is a reference to? It’s topical and unpretentious and comes at a time where the country is splintering. Feels a like a bit of a distant midwit take to take shots at the appeal it has.

Splintering? You have two zombie parties that are really the same in different colours. Of course people are going to vote for other parties that seem more left/right wing. Predictable consequence.

Splintering because some are going one way and others are going the opposite direction. Heading to opposite extremes.

Re: New statue in London, attributed to Banksy, of a suited man, blinded by a flag

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it gets people talking which many of those who like it consider to be the primary point. In other words, it's not great public art, it's basically government approved engagement bait or engineered pro-establishment viral messaging and it's very successful at that! (but it doesn't inspire and elevate that art should aspire to)

> engineered pro-establishment viral messaging I don’t understand this. What speaks pro-establishment in this piece?

In the UK the establishment is generally unsettled by the display of the English flag.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/08/29/uk/st-george-flag-england...

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