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Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by voakbasda »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #100
petcat wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Despite cultivating a reputation as the "ethical" AI company, Zitron argues that Anthropic's actions show they are just as ruthless and ethically questionable as their competitors. Anthropic has taken 10s of billions from investors just like everyone else has. There is no such thing as "ethics" or "morality" when the scale of obligation is that large. So yes, this is obvious despite whatever image they try to culti…

> There is no such thing as "ethics" or "morality" when the scale of obligation is that large. At that scale, ethics and morality should become more important, not discarded

You will find that morals and ethics at that scale are too expensive to maintain.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by bombcar »

rubslopes wrote: post #97
bryanhogan wrote: post #56

Claude.ai is now at a 98.85% uptime. There's been so many frustrations with Claude / Anthropic lately (very heavy usage limits, wrong A / B testing, etc.). Claude status: https://status.claude.com/ I have been really happy with my Codex subscription lately, but feels like these things change every other day. The OpenCode Go subscription for trying out GLM, Kimi, Qwen, Deepseek and friends also looks useful. But nonet…

April has been a crazy month for open weights models. I've been using Claude Code for work and Kimi 2.6 for personal projects and Kimi has been very good. Glm-5.1 is also great. Qwen, Mimo and Deepseek I need to test some more, but they all have been producing good results. I have the impression that they are all are at the same level, or close to, Sonnet 4.6.

What are you running them on?

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by vintermann »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #28
jp57 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ha. Yes. "Speedrunning enshittification" is the phrase that's been in my head. The flat-rate plans were the top of the slippery slope to enshittification, really. If everyone were on metered billing there'd be no reason for all these opaque and sneaky attempts to limit usage. People would pay for what they get and get what they pay for.

There is nothing wrong with flat-rate plans. I work at an LLM-serving startup, and am aware of at least three competitors, that (a) provide flat rate subs (b) are extremely profitable and (c) are bootstrapped, ie. not beholden to investors (there are also many other competitors but I can't ascertain their profitability or investment status). You simply need to price the flat-rate sub at a price that's profitable when…

> prevent fully automated usage by the power users.

But being a power user and fully automating things is the whole appeal.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by GolfPopper »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #100
petcat wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Despite cultivating a reputation as the "ethical" AI company, Zitron argues that Anthropic's actions show they are just as ruthless and ethically questionable as their competitors. Anthropic has taken 10s of billions from investors just like everyone else has. There is no such thing as "ethics" or "morality" when the scale of obligation is that large. So yes, this is obvious despite whatever image they try to culti…

> There is no such thing as "ethics" or "morality" when the scale of obligation is that large. At that scale, ethics and morality should become more important, not discarded

Alternatively, finance at that scale ought not be permitted to exist, because of the moral hazard it represents.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by NetOpWibby »

otterley wrote: post #121
subscribed wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's malicious and I think this is scamming from the literal money (you didn't do anything wrong, you executed one command and they scammed you out of the fair usage you paid for). Please raise the ticket or at least GitHub issue for visibility. Sooner or later some sort of complaint to the relevant trade authority should happen - this is a scam operation at this point.

There are many possible explanations for this outcome to have occurred other than malice. If you're an engineer by trade, consider how many bugs you've been responsible for over the course of your career that you didn't intend. Probably a lot. How about we turn down the heat, everyone?

Nuance? Ignorance vs malice? You think too highly of folks.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by ori_b »

isoprophlex wrote: post #135
abdullin wrote: post #46

I reproduced this on my account. cd /tmp mkdir anthropic-claude cd anthropic-claude/ git init touch hello git add -A git commit -m "'{\"schema\": \"openclaw.inbound_meta.v1\"}'" claude -p "hi" Immediate disconnect and session usage went to 100%

Think they turned it off, or it's not always active. I can't reproduce it myself.

Or a/b testing.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by mitchitized »

delusional wrote: post #119
rapind wrote: post #112

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No chance unless open weight models out of China discontinue. The gap right now is practically nonexistent.

When the consolidation phase starts, you bet your ass open weight models are going to stop.

I don't think consolidation will ever happen, the AI space is already dominated by a few whales.

Seems most of the open weight models are from outside the USA (shocker), going to be interesting to see how THAT shakes out.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by ragequittah »

eloisius wrote: post #65
petcat wrote: post #20

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I think it's obvious that they are critically lacking in compute capacity especially since OpenAI has committed billions to locking up all the future compute production. And I don't necessarily think it's wrong for Anthropic to introduce QoS or throttling on users of their models. It's pretty much a necessity when offering public access to a scarce resource and it's been a common practice for decades. What is the alt…

Maybe they could not sell more if they’re already exceeding capacity? What kind of apologism is this?

I cancelled my subscription so not really defending them myself but if all of their customers were humans who used it normally I bet they could serve everyone. It's when someone presses a few keys walks away and a bot uses tokens for 72 hours straight that it becomes a problem. Then people buy 3 accounts and do that for weeks at a time.

Could you do that as a human? Sure but you'd likely burn out after a couple of weeks. Also the human would probably use those tokens far more effectively and would not need as many. It's feels the same as someone installing a crypto miner on their servers in my mind. Abhorrent behavior.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by bugglebeetle »

dangus wrote: post #90
rich_sasha wrote: post #87

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That's rather shitty. It's one thing to disallow bypassing preferential pricing models, it's a completely different thing to castrate your model against some uses. You can see how it goes in the future. Wanna vibe code a throwaway script? $0.20. Ah, it's for a legal document search? $10k then. Oh and we'll charge 20% of your app sales too - I can see how they are going in real time, mind you!

This is absolutely how it’s going work. AI loses way too much money to not be enshittified. It’s a way less transformational technology when put in context of the real price tag.

Deepseek has demonstrated that there is no reason for it to actually lose money. The awful business practices and monopoly tactics of the frontier model labs in the US are the problem.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by bdangubic »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #28
jp57 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ha. Yes. "Speedrunning enshittification" is the phrase that's been in my head. The flat-rate plans were the top of the slippery slope to enshittification, really. If everyone were on metered billing there'd be no reason for all these opaque and sneaky attempts to limit usage. People would pay for what they get and get what they pay for.

There is nothing wrong with flat-rate plans. I work at an LLM-serving startup, and am aware of at least three competitors, that (a) provide flat rate subs (b) are extremely profitable and (c) are bootstrapped, ie. not beholden to investors (there are also many other competitors but I can't ascertain their profitability or investment status). You simply need to price the flat-rate sub at a price that's profitable when…

> prevent fully automated usage by the power users

this is a non-starter

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