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The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Because history is written by the victors, the Luddites were painted as idiots who just hated machines for no reason or dumb reasons. This couldn't be further from the truth.

The sad thing that I haven't been able to resolve in my mind is that this is a cultural multi-party prisoners' dilemma among sovereign entities. From a power-centric point of view, if my neighbors intentionally cast off modern technology, they are ripe for domination, economic exploitation, etc. The history of human civilization from the age of city-states onward is about navigating the need for protection from hosti…

The only navigable path is to gain power in any way you can, and then once you have it, use that power for good. Despite being the most navigable, it's still a very treacherous path. And there's a risk for everyone else, if you take this path, you might end up worse than the last guy, and if that happens, someone else will have to repeat the process.

Be like Zohran Mamdani. Zohran only had to win an election where everyone hated the incumbent, which is one of the easiest ways to get power. His enemies are floundering now, they're trying to pin baseball losses on him because they've got nothing else. Most of us here, being nerdy technologists and not charismatic politicians, will have to do it by creating technology and learning the tricks of back-end sales, the way ZUckerberg or Page did.

Dictators win elections and then replace them with hereditary lines of succession. We don't have a word for kings who hold elections for their successors. Usually they only do so at knifepoint. Game theory - inter-agent power dynamics - is one of the strongest forces in the universe, almost as strong as entropy. Game theory is Cthulu, Moloch, SCP-3125, that thing from Homestuck that eats universes, and both God and Satan. But if we give up, we lose.

Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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I think that comments like this are not helpful for humanism. Us pogressives should stop trying to argue that AI actually sucks, it obviously doesn't and will continue to improve. We would start organizing and thinking about ways to build a society where the average human can still have a solid, interesting quality of life even when solid AI is everywhere.

AI still sucks where it truly matters. Ask any SOTA LLM about medications for your child for example. Now that you got the answer, ask again - it might be subtly or not so subtly different. Push back slightly, you will get "I am sorry I was wrong...". Now which version to believe? Neither. You need a competent human being to either figure it out from trusted sources or just know the answer. Maybe LLM actually gets it…

If you use a state of the art search tool and give it enough information, which you should, it should be very competent at that honestly, because it can read hundreds of papers and articles. I don't think your exemple is true. You would need statistics and benchmarks, not a made up strawman.

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no one pragmatic, realistic and grounded who uses the tools regularly thinks that "the death of AI" contingency is something worth planning your career around

Meaning that if AI dies I'll get rich and if AI doesn't die I'll die? I agree - that would be a stupid bet to take. Or meaning that if AI dies I'll be one of the ones who knows how to do things? That's not so stupid.

this assumes you're not giving anything away by doing things the old way. but you're giving away AI competency, the ability to compete with your peers at your job etc.

Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Meaning that if AI dies I'll get rich and if AI doesn't die I'll die? I agree - that would be a stupid bet to take. Or meaning that if AI dies I'll be one of the ones who knows how to do things? That's not so stupid.

this assumes you're not giving anything away by doing things the old way. but you're giving away AI competency, the ability to compete with your peers at your job etc.

The same AI competency that has to be relearned from scratch every 6 months?

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I think there's a big difference between "your drawing skills will atrophy if you use CAD to draw for you" and "your brain will atrophy if you ask an LLM to think for you." Personally I don't judge people for being unable to draw, but I do judge them for being unable to think for themselves.

I can't believe I am about to post this comment, but I feel a compulsion: The human mind adapts the best it can for its environment. While not being able to think for oneself is highly detrimental, there may come a time in the distant future where strong abilities to think and reason are less valuable/important. I know it may come off as absolutely ridiculous, but I do not think (no pun intended) that such an uncomfo…

> such an uncomfortable idea violates any principles of evolution.

Evolution isn't a normative thing. It's perfectly possible for us to evolve into something that morally shouldn't exist, especially in an artificial environment.

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