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Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by jhanschoo »

My position regarding devices is that only 2 out of 3 should be satisfied:

1. Used as a proof of identity (for banks, govt services, etc.)

2. Is distributed to laypeople who have more pressing concerns in their lives than security.

3. Is an open platform where you can download apps arbitrarily from the Internet that can read your data and exfiltrate them to a malicious actor.

The mainstream today chooses 1&2. Novelty, underpowered devices choose 2&3. Hobbyists have option 3 (and those who like to live dangerously 1&3) with some inconvenience. You can still run GrapheneOS... and the mainstream apps that expect your device to be a proof of your identity won't work... and I find that quite reasonable.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by fainpul »

59percentmore wrote: post #37
Xunjin wrote: post #16

Let me play out a scenario, imagine to use a Desktop Hardware like a complete built rig, you would need a specific OS like Windows 11 and you could not run Linux on it, just because it's a vendor lock-in. Why is this acceptable for phones but would not for the case above? I know a lot of people don't care, and that's ok, but we should root for an open choice for the users.

From the state's perspective, probably along the same lines as why long guns are allowed with permit in many countries where handguns are banned.

Because you can conceiled carry a smartphone? Please explain.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by gslepak »

HWR_14 wrote: post #143
tossit444 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you moved into a walled garden in an attempt to escape what's essentially a 3 foot picket fenced garden.

If there are two walled gardens, you might as well choose the prettier one.

Or choose freedom. I've been enjoying GrapheneOS for a couple of years now and recommend it.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by fooqux »

drnick1 wrote: post #8

I don't care, I run Graphene, and my phone is definitely mine. Most Android apps just work, and the ones that don't are the kind of malware I am happy to do without.

Being a Graphene user is fine and all, but if this continues it will have a chilling effect on OSS Android development. And that will still effect you.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by dtj1123 »

empyrrhicist wrote: post #141
pngwen wrote: post #68

This change has served me well! I have been a Mac OS X users for years who used an android phone. As soon as google announced their impending walled garden status, I went out and bought into the ios eco system. I have really been enjoying my iphone, ipad, and apple watch. You see, the only value that Android really offered me was the ability to run my own code on my own device. Since they are taking that away that ju…

> the vastly superior apple experience After switching away from GrapheneOS to iOS after RCS stopped working for me, I can safely say my experience has been the opposite. The camera is the only thing better for me on iOS - everything else is buggier and worse. A few of my favorites: 1. Safari is buggy as hell, and requires installing apps to run things like ad blockers. 2. The settings are ALL over the place and very…

I'm considering switching to GrapheneOS... What's this about RCS not working?

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by akramachamarei »

kiproping wrote: post #98
TGower wrote: post #52

This is a wild misrepresentation of the situation. Saying there is no opt-out is just false, they even provide the information on how users can opt-out. The "mandatory 24 hour cooling-off period" is also misleading, it's easy to bypass the cooling-off period with ADB.

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Yeah, saw that; rubbed me wrong. "If you disagree you are manufactured, a shill." This kind of condescension has never been very convincing. And I mostly agree with the petition.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by mmooss »

kahrl wrote: post #80
mmooss wrote: post #49

There is a negative network effect: The opt-out is so complex and time-consuming that it will deter almost all users (even if some on HN say they will do it). With so few users, many fewer developers will release apps that don't comply with Google's requirements. Then the value of opting out will decline significantly, which will reduce the number of people doing it, which will reduce the number of apps released ...…

ZERO. ZERO developers who don’t comply will make a living selling applications and services to the general public.

I agree; I expect that's already true?

In the GP I'm talking about people releasing FOSS and similar projects.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by lynndotpy »

tossit444 wrote: post #110
pngwen wrote: post #68

This change has served me well! I have been a Mac OS X users for years who used an android phone. As soon as google announced their impending walled garden status, I went out and bought into the ios eco system. I have really been enjoying my iphone, ipad, and apple watch. You see, the only value that Android really offered me was the ability to run my own code on my own device. Since they are taking that away that ju…

So you moved into a walled garden in an attempt to escape what's essentially a 3 foot picket fenced garden.

For an Android user, iOS offers better privacy (which can change at any time), but it also comes baked in with better support for some open protocols. (SMB on Files, and CalDAV/CardDAV for Calendars/Contacts/Notes integration). This has been the case for years, while aspects of the 'walled garden' have eroded over time.

It's natural that this huge Android regression might be enough for someone to dip their toes into the other side.

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