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Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

#151

I think there's an anchoring effect in play here. If you select blue -> blue -> green -> blue -> green -> blue -> green…, you land at the population median. (The point being that, once you get to a somewhat ambiguous point (after two blue selections), you can say "oh, well, compared to the last one this is {opposite color}!", and it seems most people do that.)

I wouldn't assume most people do that. For me the last few looked basically the same so I selected the same color for all of them.

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

#152

I never understood "forced classification" games like this (as an aside, it's also why I always hated Myers Briggs). Maybe it's because I'm somewhere on the spectrum, but it always seems like a dumb, false choice to me. For example, when I saw the second color, "aqua" immediately popped into my mind. Aqua is literally defined as #00FFFF in RGB color space - no red, equal (max) parts blue and green. So it just felt li…

It's a fun toy website.

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

#153

I'm sure this isn't an original thought, but I wonder how others see colors. Irrespective of color blindness, is what I know as red appear as blue to someone else? How would you even know or describe it? "Red, like a strawberry, tomato, or apple." And they say, "Yes, exactly." But what they're truly seeing is what YOU know as blue. They see something different than you do, but to them that color has always been calle…

It would be interesting to see if llms all share the same internal representation of red. It might hint towards how it works for humans.

Note: I'm not sure this is formulated well, or even if I am able to articulate this correctly.

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

#154

There's a big cultural component to it, and many languages don't even distinguish blue and green! Also many languages only distinguish them surprisingly recently --- for example, Chinese and Japanese used to use the word 青 which can refer to both blue and green, and even now, the color of the sky in the Republic of China (Taiwanese) flag is referred to by that character. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue%E2%80%93gre…

Same applies for grey, and many other colours and things. For Indonesian culture, grey is the colour of an overcast/hazy/dusty/ash/pale day, as such, it includes any desaturated colour, especially (most commonly) light blues; so for them two blue banknotes, one saturated and one desaturated are clearly different colours and they are perplexed as to why westerners mix them up. More research of this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Color_Terms>. From my research, a lot of this comes from whether a culture's consideration of a colour is from natural phenomena, or from colour theory (mixing the primary colours to generate the secondary colours, developing color wheels, acquiring distinctions for hue, saturation, lightness, etc). Take "orange" in English, or "cokelat" (the colour brown, and chocolate) and "oranye" (to describe the colour of a ripe orange/"jeruk manis") in Indonesia. Sometimes with cross-cultural intermixing, an object could be named after a colour in one culture, then that object is injected into another culture, and that culture then names the colour after that object. Such cultural introductions also extends to mythology and affect, lighter shades could be considered young or easy (as is "muda" in Indonesian), white could be considered for pure or wealthy or sickly or light, dark for ground/earth or peasant or tanned/healthy, red for blood/danger or passion or love; blue-green for nausea or life/vitality/fertility; same also applies for gender and pronouns; man as in mankind, or man as in male, and their inter-cultural/educational corruption/degradations/influences/experiential-biases/subjectivity.

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

#155

Some languages don’t make a distinction. And if a language doesn’t have a word for green or blue it won’t have a word for brown or orange either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue%E2%80%93green_distinction...

In Japanese, the "go" traffic light is referred to as "blue."

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

#156

I don't like this because many of these transition colors I don't really consider blue or green but some sort of blue-green or green-blue. I would also trust the results more if it bounced you around a bit randomly rather than tried to center you in. It gets to a point where I don't really have confidence and I suspect the environment around me contributed a fair amount at that point. Seem to get ~172.

I feel the same way, after the first couple of responses, I was just thinking it's blue-green. So I just had to pick randomly. A better interface would have been to just show the final spectrum pic and slide to where you think the separation is.

I suspect that asking people to pick on a visual spectrum would lead to most people clicking closer to the midpoint.

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

#157
Curious how this looks for red/green colorblind folks?

Do they see everything beyond the initial green as a shade of blue?

--Edit--

My red/green colorblind father just got back me with this result:

> Your boundary is at hue 175, bluer than 68% of the population. For you, turquoise is green.

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

#158

"for you, turquoise is blue." Well no, it's turquoise, that's why we gave it a whole different word.

> Well no, it's turquoise, that's why we gave it a whole different word.

For some people "pink" does not exist as a concept, it is "light red". In English we talk about "light blue", but an Italian may talk about azzurro (galazio (γαλάζιο) in Greek; kachol (כחול) in Hebrew). Is azzurro its own colour different from "blue" for everyone, or only for Italians? Is "pink" a different colour than (light) red?

Before the different word of "turquoise" was created, did the colour still exist and/or be perceived?

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turquoise#Names

If a language/culture does not have a word for "blue" does that mean the colour does not exist?

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Color_Terms

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue–green_distinction_in_lang...

Where does "white" end and "grey" begin? Where does "grey" end and "black" begin?

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shades_of_white

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shades_of_gray

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shades_of_black

Also, a bit of fun with brown:

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh4aWZRtTwU

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

#160
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP's point is that this isn't valid because neither of the answers are correct. If you're really trying to measure a spectrum then the answers should allow for fuzziness. That is, you have a range/confidence interval of where green ends and where blue starts and in between is neither/both.

correctness is not the point. binary choice is the whole point. because my blue may not be your blue...

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