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Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by tomaskafka » Mon, Apr 27, 2026, 9:50 PM UTC

sysworld wrote: post #147

enaaem wrote: post #112

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Even the new app launcher. It takes 1-2 seconds to draw a bunch of icons. Scrolling is also choppy. This even happens on their newest machines. How this possible in 2026?

My app launcher loads as soon as it's triggered (4 fingers swiped in). There is a weird 5ms glitch on the zoom in animation, but otherwise it loads in within a few ms, and scrolling is smooth. I'm on a M2 MBA macOS 26.3.1 Edit, but don't take this as me saying I like the current state of macOS. There are plenty of weird edge cases I wish they'd fix, but on the whole the OS works fine for me.

My app launcher loads fine as well, but sometimes (a few times a week) it just doesn't find any apps at all. Or only some of them.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by wazoox » Mon, Apr 27, 2026, 9:56 PM UTC

somat wrote: post #129

shantara wrote: post #26

>Apple made SMB its primary file-sharing protocol in OS X 10.9 Mavericks, over 12 years ago… …and yet SMB support in macOS remains slow and buggy to this day. I tried all combinations of server-side settings and obscure plist tweaks to make SMB navigation and search work as fast as they do on my Linux machine out of box before giving up. It is very obviously not a priority for their services revenue, so there’s no in…

How is nfs on mac? Not really equivalent, I know, but if smb is that bad I am curious about alternatives.

NFS works way better than SMB, but the Finder is not without its troubles. Sometimes it will take 10 minutes to display a folder for reasons, mostly.

The Finder is really an horrible piece of sh*t of software, slow as hell, doesn't provide the most basic information[1], and, of course, doesn't work properly when browsing network shares either SMB or NFS.

[1]virtually all common file browsers (Windows Explorer, Gnome Nautilus, KDE dolphin) displays at all times : the number of files in the current folder, their size, the number of files selected, their size; also all but the Finder have a "recent files" section that actually contains the latest files used, while the Finder displays a completely random selection of recent files, but never the most recently used ones.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Apr 27, 2026, 9:58 PM UTC

GeekyBear wrote: post #62

TimTheTinker wrote: post #19

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They discontinued sales in 2018, but continued to support Time Capsule backup over AFP through macOS 26 (Tahoe).

It's been more than a decade since they replaced AFP with SMB as the default protocol for file sharing, and they've been warning that AFP would be going away for years.

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Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by jychang » Mon, Apr 27, 2026, 9:59 PM UTC

giantrobot wrote: post #22

throw0101c wrote: post #13

Time Capsule has been unsupported since 2018 (last shipped 2013): * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirPort_Time_Capsule I think there's some population of folks that have been doing NAS TM backups over AFP, and they'll now have to switch to SMB.

Time Machine support is also dropping support over SMB1 so whatever new solution needs to support SMB2/3.

I've added support for Samba 4 (running SMB3) to the Time Capsule so it can work with modern macOS: https://github.com/jamesyc/TimeCapsuleSMB

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by traderj0e » Mon, Apr 27, 2026, 10:00 PM UTC

tiffanyh wrote: post #133

I’m reminded of that time 10-years ago when Apple rewrote parts of its networking code (discovery/mDNSResponder), and it caused so many issues they had to revert the code. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9026192 https://www.macrumors.com/2015/06/30/apple-releases-os-x-10-...

Unless I'm mixing it up, I still remember this as the infamous "wifi update"

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by ymolodtsov » Mon, Apr 27, 2026, 10:00 PM UTC

I'm still using my time capsule. I don't really trust the hard drive inside of it, but I basically use it to connect to an SSD that I attached to it. Unfortunately, Nest Wi-Fi, that I use as a router doesn't have any USBs, unlike some cheaper routers. I know that it's, I know that it will be gone after Tahoe. I'm still not sure what I'm going to do about this. I mean, I don't really want to fool on us

I mean, it's basically just like a time machine backup plus, uh, a little bit of some older files that I don't want to keep on my main Mac.

seems like any NAS would take way more space than I would love to. I suppose one alternative would be actually getting some kind of like Beelink PC and then maybe setting up a proper home server, moving some of my side projects in there, running plex from it. The problem is that the current ram prices, it's a surprisingly expensive solution.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by jychang » Mon, Apr 27, 2026, 10:01 PM UTC

daneel_w wrote: post #143

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #11

"...if you have an Apple silicon Mac and AFP support is dropped from macOS 27, that would leave you unable to upgrade without replacing your network storage." How big is this market? I'm not saying vibe code a product, but...

Netatalk has been around for like 25 years: https://github.com/Netatalk/Netatalk Relevant to the discussion is that the project comes with an AFP client as well. I have no experience with the client but I've used the Netatalk server for more than 15 years.

I've already built it: https://github.com/jamesyc/TimeCapsuleSMB

This runs Samba 4 on the Apple Time Capsule.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by jychang » Mon, Apr 27, 2026, 10:04 PM UTC

For those that are interested: I've managed to build Samba 4 and get it running on a Apple Time Capsule https://github.com/jamesyc/TimeCapsuleSMB

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by post-it » Mon, Apr 27, 2026, 10:04 PM UTC

pmontra wrote: post #118

post-it wrote: post #71

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Because people will fill their iClouds. An important value proposition of iCloud is that customers pay for more space than they need. Time Machine grows to fill all available space.

They could sell a separate service for Time Machine backups. I'm not an Apple customers so I don't know if it makes sense, but they could make customers pay X times the last N days in the backup plus Y times a number M of snapshots in the past.

I wouldn't pay for it, so that's one data point.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by joe_mamba » Mon, Apr 27, 2026, 10:24 PM UTC

miki123211 wrote: post #141

joe_mamba wrote: post #132

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>How this possible in 2026? Enshittification. When you're an ecosystem monopoly, people are forced to buy your shit no matter how bad it gets.

Macs are nowhere near a monopoly. I would (grudgingly) accept this argument for iOS, but for Mac OS it doesn't make any sense.

>Macs are nowhere near a monopoly.

You didn't read what I said. I said MacOS IS a monopoly in the Apple ecosystem.

Apple users dissatisfied with how MacOS is changing, as the one I was replying to, have nothing else to switch to without uprooting themselves out of the Apple ecosystem altogether, which most don't do but just put up with it.