The title is heavy clickbait. To say I just bought a Porsche when it was actually a Volkswagen is also wrong. Just because they belong to the same owner doesn't make it the same brand.
Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud
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Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud
#152Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud
#153Years ago I was making the case that instead of digging ourselves into the Amazon eco-system with S3 storage, EC2 instances, DynamoDB and various other Amazon specific cloud products... we should just host virtual machines and have everything in there using open source products. People looked at me like they saw water burning but that would have made the dependency on the US a lot easier to sever. Just move the VM's.
I've operated at companies using both models, and have observed similar reactions to suggestions of using the cloud. To me it's like anything else in engineering, are the costs, risks, and benefits fully understood, and worth the tradeoff in the particular context. I worked for a startup doing internet of things, the consumer would buy a device and get lifetime service baked in. And that company was a step further, j…
In fact, I had no idea our static website at a scale-up in 2019 was costing us 90€/month; it came up when we were told to cut costs. Developers don’t always have a say in these things.
Heck, I then went and got a series of certifications in GCP. Even then, I’m not sure I’d understand the full complexity and pricing options of GCP. Smaller clouds and simple VPS solutions really are the overlooked option.
Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t disagree. What you know matters, but I think it’s a lot easier to learn Kubernetes than it is to learn all of the disparate tools that you need to know to cobble together something similar. Moreover, because Kubernetes is somewhat standardized, you are much more likely to be able to find quality sources on the Internet (or LLLMs, nowadays) and similarly you’re much more likely to be able to find personnel who…
Capitalism winning does not show it is better as there are a lot more factors. Same situation with Kubernetes. Google could have built something else and they still would have succeeded at doing what they did. In my opinion, everything you wrote are opinions. Installing and managing rke on bare metal was more difficult than doing the same with nomad for me. Or another example, installing clickhouse using apt was easi…
Maybe Google could have built something better than Kubernetes, but my point was that this doesn't do me any good. I can't _use_ the hypothetical better-than-Kubernetes product because it's hypothetical. So in the world of things that actually exist, Kubernetes is best in class despite the many valid criticisms of it.
> In my opinion, everything you wrote are opinions
Yes, my comment was my opinion.
> Installing and managing rke on bare metal was more difficult than doing the same with nomad for me.
Maybe Nomad is better. I haven't used it. I'm skeptical that it has the ecosystem breadth that Kubernetes has, but I'm happy to be wrong.
> Or another example, installing clickhouse using apt was easier and worked better than doing it with docker.
That's not really a useful comparison because (1) a system typically involves a lot more than just a singular database and (2) running a system involves a lot more than getting the software onto the machine. If you want to make a meaningful comparison, you need something like Ansible or Cloud Init to invoke apt and to wire everything together and at that point Kubernetes is _likely_ already easier. Especially when you consider logs, metrics, certificates, DNS, etc.
Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud
#155Years ago I was making the case that instead of digging ourselves into the Amazon eco-system with S3 storage, EC2 instances, DynamoDB and various other Amazon specific cloud products... we should just host virtual machines and have everything in there using open source products. People looked at me like they saw water burning but that would have made the dependency on the US a lot easier to sever. Just move the VM's.
I've operated at companies using both models, and have observed similar reactions to suggestions of using the cloud. To me it's like anything else in engineering, are the costs, risks, and benefits fully understood, and worth the tradeoff in the particular context. I worked for a startup doing internet of things, the consumer would buy a device and get lifetime service baked in. And that company was a step further, j…
Unfortunately this is neither the case for very large, or very small companies.
Very large companies may have some experience, but it is usually legacy. Or buried under processes and politics.
Small companies will not have the experience to make the analysis
Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud
#156Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
Name one example of a 2026 car with the same size, fuel type and class where the difference in mileage is >=50% I have a very hard time believing this, especially with fuel economy and emission regulations
The 2026 Toyota Corolla GR has 22mpg combined, and the normal 2026 Corolla has 35mpg with gas or 50mpg with a hybrid powertrain. It is true that fuel economy regulations make it much less practical to deliver gas guzzlers out of pure laziness. (As you may know, the Corolla GR is by far the most expensive of these options, because it's designed to achieve horsepower over mileage.)