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Re: Clay PCB Tutorial

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Post by ktm5j »

skybrian wrote: post #47
jedimastert wrote: post #28

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CO2 emissions from burning wood (and charcoal) can considered net-zero by some (I'm not really interested in arguing one way or the other) because all of the CO2 being released was initially trapped out of the air by the plant, not releasing "new" carbon that was initially trapped underground

There’s more to pollution than CO2. You’re polluting the neighborhood with smoke, which is bad for lungs. Maybe okay in a rural area if neighbors are far away.

People have been standing around fires since the dawn of fire. Live a little.

Re: Clay PCB Tutorial

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Post by MiiMe19 »

jedimastert wrote: post #46
jevndev wrote: post #34

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Gonna +1 what the other person said, but also this research group appears to be like intentionally focused on hacking and technology ethics from a feminist perspective sooooo like maybe it's just not your cup of tea to begin with? Either way, it's probably that no one cares about your opinions on credibility

I care :D

Re: Clay PCB Tutorial

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Post by MiiMe19 »

culi wrote: post #58
lucid-dev wrote: post #40

New generations have new language and are attempting to define themselves through their usage of certain terminology and re-framing of words (Arduino -> Arduina). This isn't satire and it doesn't have to be dismissed. While I don't find increasing the definition and perceived uniqueness of one's personality and identity is necessarily a positive social thing, it's pretty much the most common thing in today's world -…

The language bit is dual purpose. For one it's clearly tongue in cheek. Furthermore, it's a way to scare off people who would get set off from a little bit of language play. It's a way to make an online space free of people they don't want without actually putting up hard borders or moving it to a less public space. (Personally I think it's a wonderful strategy) All the commenters here that are too set off to engage…

Me after prefixing every word with length greater than or equal to 7 characters with the n word in my article as a way to scare off people who would get set off from a little bit of language play. It's a way to make an online space free of people I don't want without putting up hard borders or moving it to a less public space. (Personally I think it's a wonderful strategy)

All the commenters here that are too set off to engage with the article are exactly what I was hoping for as an internet troll.

Re: Clay PCB Tutorial

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Post by balamatom »

dang wrote: post #120
balamatom wrote: post #90

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Could you please stop breaking the site guidelines, such as by posting unsubstantive and/or flamewar comments and/or crossing (as here) into personal attack? Your account has unfortunately been doing these things repeatedly. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

There is no personal attack here; other than, perhaps, one conducted by whoever keeps flagging my perfectly substantial comments.

But since you said "please", sure, I'll think about it.

Re: Clay PCB Tutorial

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Post by itsdesmond »

atoav wrote: post #143
itsdesmond wrote: post #123

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They’re investigating “can circuits be produced from”, not asserting “this is a better medium for this exact circuit”. It is a tutorial on creating clay PCBs at all, a demo of the technique.

Yes. And thus using a circuit that has the complexity of a circuit one would put onto a circuit board would be a good demonstration. E.g. showcasing vias and other circuit board technologies. Understandably the first step is to start simple, but that is the essence of my criticism: Too many of these projects become viral hits that stop making any progress after the first symbolic success. Cynics would say these proje…

You’re bringing so much weird baggage to this. A viral hit? This is a ~2,300 word piece, equivalent to an article in The Atlantic introducing a 30 page PDF tutorial and code repo which is ran as a workshop in hacker spaces and at conferences. It isn’t a proposal for a new scale industrial process seeking VC funding.

You’re critiquing it for not being something you value, but it isn’t trying to be that thing. They’re not doing the thing you think they are badly, they’re doing something you haven’t bothered to understand.

Honestly, I think the only way one could look at this and bring that critique is if they both didn’t look at shit but the pictures and saw the word “feminist” used and began to intellectually infantilize the authors.

Re: Clay PCB Tutorial

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Post by dang »

balamatom wrote: post #155
dang wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you please stop breaking the site guidelines, such as by posting unsubstantive and/or flamewar comments and/or crossing (as here) into personal attack? Your account has unfortunately been doing these things repeatedly. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

There is no personal attack here; other than, perhaps, one conducted by whoever keeps flagging my perfectly substantial comments. But since you said "please", sure, I'll think about it.

Obviously these terms are open to interpretation as well as cultural differences, but in terms of how we moderate HN, your GP comment certainly counts as a personal attack. You can't use phrases like "you're providing a bullshit", "someone calls out your bullshit", and so on, when addressing another person on HN.

If you feel that someone's view is mistaken, you're welcome to respond to false information with true information, and bad arguments with better arguments. But please remain personally respectful while doing so.

Re: Clay PCB Tutorial

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Post by numpad0 »

pron wrote: post #88
fxtentacle wrote: post #82

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If the goal is to decouple feminism from feminine identities, which by definition means it then also needs to apply to masculine identities, then I think they need a new name. Also, it appears that >99% of feminism researchers are publishing their scientific papers with a feminine name. I can easily understand why the general public might confuse the 2 groups with each other. Which brings me back to the question: wha…

First, confusing feminism with femininity or, conversely, patriarchy with masculinity is such a basic error - and not one of nuance - that shows at least an intentional disinterest. There is no "goal to decouple", because if an ideology believes a certain group is disempowered then it strives to empower it and there is no "decoupling". But if you can't tell the difference between, say, being white and being a white s…

Why's feminism so tone deaf on the fact that, it's basically a divisive and elitist branch of conservatism now?

Re: Clay PCB Tutorial

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Post by atoav »

itsdesmond wrote: post #156
atoav wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. And thus using a circuit that has the complexity of a circuit one would put onto a circuit board would be a good demonstration. E.g. showcasing vias and other circuit board technologies. Understandably the first step is to start simple, but that is the essence of my criticism: Too many of these projects become viral hits that stop making any progress after the first symbolic success. Cynics would say these proje…

You’re bringing so much weird baggage to this. A viral hit? This is a ~2,300 word piece, equivalent to an article in The Atlantic introducing a 30 page PDF tutorial and code repo which is ran as a workshop in hacker spaces and at conferences. It isn’t a proposal for a new scale industrial process seeking VC funding. You’re critiquing it for not being something you value, but it isn’t trying to be that thing. They’re…

I am a feminist myself so why would that be reason to critique anybody over it?

The "weird baggage" I bring to this is thst I run an electronics lab at the university level. Of course this means I have seen a lot. My criticism by the way doesn't have a lot to do with these projects themselves, more with how a specific type of writing is treating these projects and how readers with insufficient background knowledge would then misunderstand it.

A comparable thing is when scientific writers talk about how a promising first material test is likely the battery technology of the future. How do you feel after reading decades of these articles?

And don't get me wrong: I do believe that these efforts can ultimately lead to actual change. We just need to be transparent what it is and how long it takes to introduce actual change.

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