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Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by walterbell »

unfitted2545 wrote: post #131
omcnoe wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there is also the added challenge that ARM macs are a moving target, and Apple has less than no desire to provide any kind of stability or support for Asahi Linux. Unlike the PC space where laptop manufacturers have to maintain broad compatibility over time, Apple will make future changes that are really awkward for Asahi and will not care one bit because they can do the compat work on their own software.

From an end user perspective, I think the best thing the Asahi team could have done was solely focus on getting the M1 Air/Pro working 100% before moving onto other devices. But that would probably result in burn out from the crazily talented dev team :P

Asahi focusing on M1 would also encourage secondary market sales of M1 laptops, which are already a primary competitor (see Apple marketing) to current Apple laptops. If Apple wanted to encourage Asahi Linux users to move from M1 or Qualcomm to M5/M6 Apple devices, they could improve device firmware compatibility with Linux, or contribute directly to mainline Linux.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by gf000 »

eightysixfour wrote: post #94
rglullis wrote: post #85

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> My variosu Linux adventures have always resulted in doing random patches for audio or screen incompatibility. This is the kind of dated argument that really makes me dismiss most of the critics. I was running xubuntu as my main desktop since 2010 at least, switched to Debian + nix + XFCE in 2022 and switched to full-on nixOS in 2024. I never had issues with audio then and had to go out of my way to "break" audio on…

Earlier this year I built a new desktop and installed my normal Linux distro and the screen wouldn’t work after login. I worked on it for a day, still couldn’t get any desktop except a terminal.Tried a different distro, it booted but no matter what resolution or refresh rate, the display showed severe artifacts when scrolling. Tried to fix it for a few days, gave up. I am not a Linux novice, I have been using every m…

I can easily tell you a story of the same with the two OSs reversed. It's no longer 2016, pretty much every hardware worth their salt has good, or better Linux support, with the possible exception of some random RGB led not being controllable out of the box (though usually it's not out of the box either on windows). Like outside of desktop, Linux is the most prevalent operating system and it's not even close.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by karussell »

e12e wrote: post #101
dreamcompiler wrote: post #66

I run Asahi (the previous release) on an M2 Air and it works great except for high power drain when sleeping. I still want to run it on an M3 MBP so it's nice to hear progress on that is happening.

Do you use a docking station and an external display?

Not OP but external display only works via HDMI directly atm (m2 mb pro).

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by skydhash »

rglullis wrote: post #134
jorvi wrote: post #118

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MacOS has solved laptop suspend since the 2000s. Windows and Linux still struggle with this, especially due to the switch from S3- to S0ix-style sleep. Modern Apple laptops seem less special now but you also have to look at them through the lens of their introduction. A similar thing is true for Sonos. They don't seem all that special now, but you have to realize they have been offering multi-room synced audio with a…

> MacOS has solved laptop suspend since the 2000s. On Apple hardware . Call me when you put MacOS on any random laptop and get suspend to work.

Hard to agree with those critics when the OS is doing the right thing, but the hardware won't play ball. The reason there's so much code in the Linux kernel is for various shenanigans that hardware vendors came up with. Yesterday I was looking at how HDMI audio is being implemented. From the specs, it looks quite nice with support for PCM and rates supported sent via EDID, but there's like 5 implementations for that one, 3 of them handling hacks by the GPU vendors.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by gf000 »

rglullis wrote: post #134
jorvi wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MacOS has solved laptop suspend since the 2000s. Windows and Linux still struggle with this, especially due to the switch from S3- to S0ix-style sleep. Modern Apple laptops seem less special now but you also have to look at them through the lens of their introduction. A similar thing is true for Sonos. They don't seem all that special now, but you have to realize they have been offering multi-room synced audio with a…

> MacOS has solved laptop suspend since the 2000s. On Apple hardware . Call me when you put MacOS on any random laptop and get suspend to work.

Yeah, it's not that hard if the hardware is high quality and of small number of known types.

Windows and Linux is judged by whether it works on any hardware, including the so-cheap-it-should-not-have-been-produced-ever machines, that will obviously just plain suck. No amount of software can save shitty hardware.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by saagarjha »

appplication wrote: post #115
jauntywundrkind wrote: post #105

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Pretty rude to call this ex Apple Nuvia. I don't think any of those lawsuits by Apple or ARM have been won. Qualcomm declares this to be a new chip. But yes it has talent from those places. Still, let's not try to tip the scales of perception quite so indelicately? I am curious what the boot situation is. It seems like Qualcomm actually has pretty good support for their cores. But since these PC systems sort of lack…

Without stirring the pot too much, I’m a bit out of the loop on what the above poster implied and you took slight to. Could you share a little more about this and why you feel what they said was rude?

Apple and ARM have sued Qualcomm over the Nuvia talent.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by bigyabai »

GZGavinZhao wrote: post #95

It's always sad to think what more can be achieved / how faster we might've arrived at M3 support if Asahi Lina is still active.

Lina got the happy ending. She moved on to apply her talent to bigger and better projects - the real tragedy is how many years of volunteer effort were wasted by Apple's opaque documentation.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by p0w3n3d »

The mentioned light sensor started malfunctioning on my work's m3 after upgrading to tahoe. After a sleep it sometimes dimms the screen at max. Thankfully I have the monitor control app which brings it back for me. Such unneeded and faulty mechanism.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by bennett_dev »

kakwa_ wrote: post #71

While I absolutely love the technical write-up from the Asahi team, and being absolutely impressed by their accomplishment, to the risk of being an overly negative contrarian, I remain a bit skeptical. I'm concerned that after all these years, it's still a separate project and not an effort sustained directly within the kernel mainline and mainstream distributions like Ubuntu, Debian or Fedora. These kinds of reverse…

There was a nice task on 39c3 https://youtu.be/3OAiOfCcYFM

They do try to upstream and eventually just have Linux natively support Apple Silicon!

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by p0w3n3d »

saadn92 wrote: post #58
jwr wrote: post #4

When I think about it, I don't understand why Apple wouldn't want to help this effort and just provide all the documentation. All the classic reasons ("competitive advantage", "secrets", etc) do not hold water in this day and age.

The real answer is probably simpler than anyone here is making it. Apple hardware margins are healthy enough that selling macbooks to linux users is pure profit, so no services lock-in needed. However, the moment they officially acknowledge Linux support, then it becomes a support surface. Every kernel panic becomes a genius bar visit. Every driver bug becomes a tweet at @AppleSupport. It's the value of plausible den…

> the moment they officially acknowledge Linux support, then it becomes a support surface

untrue. There are no obligations from other hardware vendors, yet you can sometimes get good drivers from them, or at least specs. I think Apple indeed want their hardware to fade out to enforce buying another. Imagine that 20% of your returning customers no longer return after 3-5 years of planned obsolence

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