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Re: Google Flow Music

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Post by arcticfox »

minikomi wrote: post #82
arcticfox wrote: post #81

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What do you mean by the Gell Mann part? The output from this tool may be bad, but AI music in general is extremely good. My playlist is largely "AI artists" at this point and they're really good, to the point where if you look them up online, it's mostly people being finding out they're AI and being sad about it (I also felt this - would love to see them live, but they're not even real).

Would you be willing to share some artists? I'm curious

Definitely not going to be for everyone or even many people, but here's an example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpSC3XxhRwQ

This genre barely even exists from human artists AFAIK; Blackmore's Night (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8mcqTScQoY) and Celtic Woman (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhW1mh7U6-U) are the closest human examples I can think of to cross-reference against. I like those artists too but they have very few songs even remotely similar.

Re: Google Flow Music

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Post by arcticfox »

mvkel wrote: post #84
arcticfox wrote: post #81

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What do you mean by the Gell Mann part? The output from this tool may be bad, but AI music in general is extremely good. My playlist is largely "AI artists" at this point and they're really good, to the point where if you look them up online, it's mostly people being finding out they're AI and being sad about it (I also felt this - would love to see them live, but they're not even real).

RE: Gell Mann. I know what music I like. I said I wanted "dystopian, ambient, droning music with ear-filling, warm bass. No drums or beat." What came out was some pretty generic dubstep that one might hear on a Verizon commercial circa 2018. Subjective, sure, but a big miss given the instructions I gave it. Now let's say I ask it to generate code to scrape all real estate listings that were recently taken off the mar…

Got it, I like that. I see what you mean but I think a lot of that is just this tool is bad - like coding models from a year or two ago, they look convincing, enough that you waste your time on their bad decisions.

I think SOTA on both fronts has already reached exceptionally good though.

Re: Google Flow Music

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Post by adw »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #132
adw wrote: post #126

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Bunch of Balkan and Turkish music has quarter tones too. (And you’re forgetting KG and LW…)

> (And you’re forgetting KG and LW…) Now I'm only replying because I'll take any opportunity to prop King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard, which is the third item of the original three dot points. KG = KG and LW = KGatLW = King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard. I don't like all of KGatLW's music but, as someone who is also a big fan of Frank Zappa's extensive corpus of works, I love their versatility and their willingness…

You are forgetting the albums KG and LW which are both microtonal. I knew exactly what you were saying :-)

Re: Google Flow Music

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

adw wrote: post #153
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #132

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> (And you’re forgetting KG and LW…) Now I'm only replying because I'll take any opportunity to prop King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard, which is the third item of the original three dot points. KG = KG and LW = KGatLW = King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard. I don't like all of KGatLW's music but, as someone who is also a big fan of Frank Zappa's extensive corpus of works, I love their versatility and their willingness…

You are forgetting the albums KG and LW which are both microtonal. I knew exactly what you were saying :-)

Dang, there's a gap in my knowledge. Thank you for pointing it out, this will be filled tomorrow!

KGatLW are so prolific with their releases, I've been a long way behind for a long while.

Re: Google Flow Music

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

xnx wrote: post #68
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #28

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At what point of detail/complexity does my restaurant order transform me into the cook?

Good question. Maybe not cook, but consider someone who picked just the right ingredients and preparation for a sandwich. Combining flavors and textures in novel ways that are as surprising as they are delicious. I would ascribe more of the creative credit to that person vs. the one cutting the bread.

So you are taking the ridiculousness of calling someone a 'sandwich artisen' (slapping together assembly line type products is slapping together assembly line type products) but trying to spin it into a positive label?

Re: Google Flow Music

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

adw wrote: post #153
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (And you’re forgetting KG and LW…) Now I'm only replying because I'll take any opportunity to prop King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard, which is the third item of the original three dot points. KG = KG and LW = KGatLW = King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard. I don't like all of KGatLW's music but, as someone who is also a big fan of Frank Zappa's extensive corpus of works, I love their versatility and their willingness…

You are forgetting the albums KG and LW which are both microtonal. I knew exactly what you were saying :-)

There's a short and direct line from the opening riff of LW's Static Electricity to AdP.

Thanks again :)

Re: Google Flow Music

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

SwellJoe wrote: post #105
arcticfox wrote: post #81

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What do you mean by the Gell Mann part? The output from this tool may be bad, but AI music in general is extremely good. My playlist is largely "AI artists" at this point and they're really good, to the point where if you look them up online, it's mostly people being finding out they're AI and being sad about it (I also felt this - would love to see them live, but they're not even real).

"My playlist is largely "AI artists" at this point and they're really good" That's the craziest shit I've ever heard.

How I imagine these people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ulz7r_uA6xc

Re: Google Flow Music

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

jatora wrote: post #125
SwellJoe wrote: post #124

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Upon hearing mashed up pop music with almost coherent lyrics, "Shall I compare thee to a sunset?" What is going on here? Have you not heard music before? Is Suno your first experience with music-shaped sounds? Because, buddy, this is wild. You're not getting Rumours out of an AI. You're not getting Time (The Revelator) out of AI. London Calling does not spring from the geometry of sound.

Maybe I'm just not as emotional as you. Could definitely be the case. Even before AI music I never cared much about lyrics. Nor artist names beyond finding similar music to a song I like. I listen to music for the sound, which does elicit emotion and feelings that are more enjoyable or less depending on my mood, but I don't care about the story being told. I still don't think you're saying anything that refutes the g…

You're all over this thread shilling, please stop.

Also, you already predefined that certain actions would definitely be rational, and certain others would definitely be irrational, and then ask what action would the person take? Lmao.

Re: Google Flow Music

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Post by leothetechguy »

jatora wrote: post #118
SwellJoe wrote: post #112

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Music, like all art, is a human expression. AI has no desires, it feels nothing, it believes in nothing, thus it has nothing to express. It may imitate music, but it's not music.

Would you consider a beautiful sunset as art? is the value of music found in the source or the listener? I argue it is only the listener. The source is irrelevant. That is surely the case for me, and I dont think I'm unhinged or insane. I have a strong feeling I am not a minority in this regard. Pythagoras argued that music is essentially number and proportion. If beauty is found in the geometry of sound, then the "b…

When you are hearing music, you are hearing the end Result of hundreds of intentional decisions made over a long time of deliberation, same can be said for Art. I simply do not hear or see that with AI Music or Art, even If I don't know it is AI generated.

A big part of listening to Music for me is relatability. I want to understand the tools and sounds used. And then I can make something similar with the tools I have.

None of that exists in AI. Music can only inspire others if it is the result of inspiration and real decisions that can be understood.

Re: Google Flow Music

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Post by xantronix »

SwellJoe wrote: post #123
jatora wrote: post #119

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That's some dark vibes you're peddling.

The one thing people seem to agree upon is that AI is a lever of control. What's surprising to me, in all my naïeveté, is how eagerly people will enforce this at the behest of billionaires.
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