Lol, no thanks
Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
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Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
The open models may not be as great but maybe these are good enough. AI users can switch when the prices rise before it becomes sustainable for (some) of the large LLM providers.
Currently it costs so much more to host an open model than it costs to subscribe to a much better hosted model. Which suggests it’s being massively subsidised still.
If I drop $10k on a souped-up Mac Studio, can that run a competent open-source model for OpenClaw?
Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#153Looks like this was restored 2 weeks ago[0], 3 days after Anthropic said OpenClaw requires extra usage[1]. At this point, it's hard to take this seriously. No official statement and not even a tweet? [0]: https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw/commit/d378a504ac17eab2... [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47633396
I think this is consistent with the Anthropic announcement. I do not see anything on this page that says it will NOT be charged as extra usage.
The most recent Anthropic announcement was not that people would be banned for using subscriptions with OpenClaw, but that it would be charged as extra usage. I think the reason this was changed three days after that announcement is that being charged for extra usage meant people would not be banned for using their subscription OAuth tokens directly against the Anthropic API with a third party harness, as they had been before. But rather both that usage, and the more recent claude -p usage both be charged as extra usage.
Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
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Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
The open models may not be as great but maybe these are good enough. AI users can switch when the prices rise before it becomes sustainable for (some) of the large LLM providers.
Currently it costs so much more to host an open model than it costs to subscribe to a much better hosted model. Which suggests it’s being massively subsidised still.
For a lot of tasks smaller models work fine, though. Nowadays the problem is less model quality/speed, but more that it's a bit annoying to mix it in one workflow, with easy switching.
I'm currently making an effort to switch to local for stuff that can be local - initially stand alone tasks, longer term a nice harness for mixing. One example would be OCR/image description - I have hooks from dired to throw an image to local translategemma 27b which extracts the text, translates it to english, as necessary, adds a picture description, and - if it feels like - extra context. Works perfectly fine on my macbook.
Another example would be generating documentation - local qwen3 coder with a 256k context window does a great job at going through a codebase to check what is and isn't documented, and prepare a draft. I still replace pretty much all of the text - but it's good at collecting the technical details.
Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#156> Anthropic staff told us OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again Anthropic staff have had contradictive statements in Twitter and have corrected each other. Their intent for clarifications lead to confusion. > OpenClaw treats Claude CLI reuse and claude -p usage as sanctioned for this integration unless Anthropic publishes a new policy. Oh cool, so everything is back to business now, until they all or sudde…
> Switching to other providers is the best way to go, if you want to keep your insanity
I remember when I’d periodically rage quit from Uber One to Lyft Pink and back again every time I had a terrible customer-service experience. In the end, I realized picking a demon and getting familiar with its quirks was the better way to go.
I’m currently sticking with Claude, in part because I’m not exposed to this nonsense due to OpenClaw, in larger part because of the Hegseth-Altman DoD nonsense. More broadly, however, I’m not sure if any of Google, Anthropic or OpenAI are coming across as stars in AI communication and customer service.
Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you want LLMs to continue to be offered we have to get to a point where the providers are taking in more money than they are spending hosting them. And we still aren't there (or even close).
They are taking in more than they are spending hosting them. However, the cost for training the next generation of models is not covered.
Nope. They're losing money on straight inference (you may be thinking of the interview where Dario described a hypothetical company that was positive margin). The only way they can make it look like they're making money on inference is by calling the ongoing reinforcement training of the currently-served model a capital rather than operational expense, which is both absurd and will absolutely not work for an IPO.
Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
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ai garbage
Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
Currently it costs so much more to host an open model than it costs to subscribe to a much better hosted model. Which suggests it’s being massively subsidised still.
For a lot of tasks smaller models work fine, though. Nowadays the problem is less model quality/speed, but more that it's a bit annoying to mix it in one workflow, with easy switching. I'm currently making an effort to switch to local for stuff that can be local - initially stand alone tasks, longer term a nice harness for mixing. One example would be OCR/image description - I have hooks from dired to throw an image…
I haven’t tried it yet, but Rapid MLX has a neat feature for automatic model switching. It runs a local model using Apple’s MLX framework, then “falls forward” to the cloud dynamically based on usage patterns:
> Smart Cloud Routing > > Large-context requests auto-route to a cloud LLM (GPT-5, Claude, etc.) when local prefill would be slow. Routing based on new tokens after cache hit. --cloud-model openai/gpt-5 --cloud-threshold 20000
Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#160Anthropic is really trying to burn all that goodwill they worked up by raising prices, reducing limits and making it impossible to know what the actual policies are.
If you want LLMs to continue to be offered we have to get to a point where the providers are taking in more money than they are spending hosting them. And we still aren't there (or even close).
If they started doing caching properly and using proper sunrooms for that they'd have a better chance with that