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Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Side note, how did the word "lose" become "loose"? I've seen this so many times on HN.

I always assume not everyone is an English speaker and let it go.

Ha. Non-native speaker here although you wouldn’t be able to tell what talking to me, until you hear me confuse when to use this vs that, and lose vs loose. Some things my brain just refuses to remember.

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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But I don't need to test that; we all know it's possible. Known vulnerabilities are in the training set! Mythos is being claimed to have new abilities , right? What would testing the old model on a different use case do?

You’re conflating types of vulnerabilities with the vulnerability itself. Take CVE-2026-4747 which was supposedly found by mythos. The actual issue here is a stack overflow. Opus can find those.

Why wasn't that one, then?

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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The pace at which we sprint toward a full blown surveillance state, with unaccountable oracles sentencing us for pre-crime, is alarming to say the least.

Snowdens document leaks happened in 2013 (implying the surveillance state was set up well before then). So this is more a leisurely stroll than a sprint.

Room 641A was leaked in 2006. To some extent, this all started in the 1940s with the Enigma and JN-25 code breaks. After that, everyone knew that intelligence was the future of power.

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Worth noting that Trump was one who labeled them a supply chain risk for the horrible crime of setting really basic guardrails around usage. (And it's "lose" btw)

Governments are sovereign: they tell people what to do (by making laws, by exercising a monopoly of violence, etc), and nobody tells them what to do. Governments also fight wars, which means lives depend on the government's ability to command. Private companies make products. When those products were plowshares or swords or missiles, the company didn't really have a say over how they were used, and could be compelled…

In American law, companies have the choice of whether or not to do business with the government, outside of a few corner cases. There’s a process for forcing them, but it can’t just be because the leader says so.

In this particular case Anthropic had a contract stating what the military could and could not use their models for. The military broke that contract. Anthropic declined to sign a revised one.

This is within their rights, and more to the point, the government should absolutely not be allowed to unilaterally alter contracts they’ve already signed!

Predictability is the whole point. Undermining it is how you destroy your own economy.

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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Governments are sovereign: they tell people what to do (by making laws, by exercising a monopoly of violence, etc), and nobody tells them what to do. Governments also fight wars, which means lives depend on the government's ability to command. Private companies make products. When those products were plowshares or swords or missiles, the company didn't really have a say over how they were used, and could be compelled…

> the essence of government is autocratic sovereignty *was Democracy was and is radical for putting the common people in charge of the government. The right to petition for redress of grievances is literally in the first amendment. Government is a social contract, enforced with state violence on one end and mob violence on the other. If you want to return to autocratic rule, I hear North Korea is lovely this time of…

More importantly in the United States we have certain rights which cannot be abridged, even by a majority of the electorate though the government.

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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The whole artificial scarcity Anthropic created around Mythos / Glasswing is quite brilliant to be honest (I’m Not saying ethical, just brilliant). The commercial gains are one side of course. But consider this: Gets labelled supply chain risk by the pentagon. Hypes up what they claim to be the most advanced hacking tool on the planet. This puts the US government into a loose / loose position. Either deny the NSA acc…

I'm really tired of these claims that Mythos is "nothing by PR hype". It should be at this point eminently clear that the people working at Anthropic believe the things they say about their models. And for mythos in particular, at this point there are far too many people outside of Anthropic who have seen it and/or the vulnerabilities it has discovered for "it's nothing but hype" be anything close to a sensible posit…

To be clear I’m not claiming that Mythos is _nothing_ but PR hype, merely that Anthropic is playing its cards really well, which is a claim independent of actual capabilities of their latest model.

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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post #59

The whole artificial scarcity Anthropic created around Mythos / Glasswing is quite brilliant to be honest (I’m Not saying ethical, just brilliant). The commercial gains are one side of course. But consider this: Gets labelled supply chain risk by the pentagon. Hypes up what they claim to be the most advanced hacking tool on the planet. This puts the US government into a loose / loose position. Either deny the NSA acc…

> The whole artificial scarcity Anthropic created around Mythos / Glasswing is quite brilliant to be honest (I’m Not saying ethical, just brilliant). The commercial gains are one side of course.

You mean the obvious commercial losses caused by keeping an expensively created product effectively off the market altogether?

What the actual fuck is with people who come up with stuff like this?

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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post #59

The whole artificial scarcity Anthropic created around Mythos / Glasswing is quite brilliant to be honest (I’m Not saying ethical, just brilliant). The commercial gains are one side of course. But consider this: Gets labelled supply chain risk by the pentagon. Hypes up what they claim to be the most advanced hacking tool on the planet. This puts the US government into a loose / loose position. Either deny the NSA acc…

I'd be okay with our military / NSA having the best model possible.

Now if only the NSA would vet key people in our government, there should be no reason a foreign entity can just hack the FBI director's personal GMAIL, the NSA should be trying to break into their accounts before our enemies do. It's ridiculous that they're not already doing this.

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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And to think some said developers aren’t affected by marketing. The whole thing is a psyop - wow it’s so amazing we can’t give it to you. Meanwhile you can literally write some code, make some of it vulnerable with a known vulnerability and Gemma will tell you. You can go and try it now. There’s nothing mystique about it. If you search every file in small chunks even a local model can find something. If anything the…

It’s easy to find sketchy lines of code in any large C project. The big advance that they are claiming with Mythos is the ability to triage all the hundreds of candidate vulns and automatically generate exploits to prove that the real ones are real. And if they’re really finding 27-yr-old 0-days in OpenBSD, then it’s not just hype.

What's the CVE for the 27-yr-old 0-day in OpenBSD?

Re: NSA is using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist

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The pace at which we sprint toward a full blown surveillance state, with unaccountable oracles sentencing us for pre-crime, is alarming to say the least.

Roko’s Basilisk has now tagged you for eternal suffering.

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