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Re: Airline worker arrested after sharing photos of bomb damage in WhatsApp group

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Post by fc417fc802 »

netdur wrote: post #139
chasil wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, how would you a) obtain the incriminating photo, then b) determine that it had been transmitted? An OS exploit and stat() for an atime would do it.

By asking Meta polity

That only works if you assume that Meta is lying about the E2EE. But earlier you took this very event as evidence of that fact, hence it seems you're begging the question.

Someone else has pointed out that it isn't legal to offer E2EE services in the UAE and so Meta intentionally compromises it in that market one way or another. They don't seem to be hiding that fact though so it's hardly an elephant.

Re: Airline worker arrested after sharing photos of bomb damage in WhatsApp group

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Post by thisislife2 »

hyperman1 wrote: post #147
kelipso wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t Ukraine’s censorship dual purpose as well? They are more likely to get funding from EU if they can make it look like they can win the war. Which of these is the bigger motivation? Hard to say. But I gather most drones have cameras, so I imagine Russia has a pretty good idea of where their drones are striking.

I think the main EU fear is ex-soviet countries fearing they are next if Ukraine falls. So Ukraine should not necessary win, it should mainly bleed Russia and not loose. An eternal standstill is probably best, realpolitik-wise (To be clear, I am not happy with this analysis).

True. As far as EU BigPowers are concerned, they know Ukraine has lost the war but don't really care if Ukraine is being destroyed and Ukranians are dying, as long as they kill as many Russians too.

Re: Airline worker arrested after sharing photos of bomb damage in WhatsApp group

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Post by esskay »

varispeed wrote: post #104
esskay wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to back that up? We know they don't encrypt metadata - that's not a secret. Message content however is E2EE - thankfully these things get audited: https://blog.cloudflare.com/key-transparency/

This doesn't prove WhatsApp is encrypted at all. It proves that a directory of public keys is being logged and audited. That's it. The protocol existing or being referenced doesn't prove it's what the production client is doing. That requires verifying the client code and behaviour end-to-end, not just the key directory.

Got it, so you can't back it up at all. You just made something up with zero actual evidence and rolled with it.

Re: Airline worker arrested after sharing photos of bomb damage in WhatsApp group

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Post by esskay »

kelnos wrote: post #133
esskay wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to back that up? We know they don't encrypt metadata - that's not a secret. Message content however is E2EE - thankfully these things get audited: https://blog.cloudflare.com/key-transparency/

The onus is not on us to prove that it's not E2E encrypted, but on Meta/WhatsApp to prove that it is. The only way they can do that is by open-sourcing the client application, and providing a method for anyone to verify that the binary on their device was built from those sources, without modification. Anything else is just theater. Anyone who is worried that their communications could get them arrested or attacked c…

> The onus is not on us to prove that it's not E2E encrypted

It is when someone posts as if they've got hard evidence it's not.

Re: Airline worker arrested after sharing photos of bomb damage in WhatsApp group

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Post by fc417fc802 »

mohamedkoubaa wrote: post #81
flyinghamster wrote: post #55

I'm of two minds on this. In peacetime, I'd consider something like that to be unreasonable and harmful, not that I'd ever even consider setting foot anywhere on the Arabian Peninsula. But, if anyone has noticed, World War III is raging all around us, and when an enemy who wants to kill you is backing that up with explosive payloads, you really don't want to be handing them battle damage assessments.

If you give away freedom for security you deserve neither

We do that as a matter of course. It's entirely unavoidable; the cost of living in society and all that. The question is the exchange rate, which is what your botched quote there actually refers to.

Re: Airline worker arrested after sharing photos of bomb damage in WhatsApp group

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Post by fc417fc802 »

aunty_helen wrote: post #130
felixg3 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably referring to crew rest hours (esp. a problem in the late 2010s, near-misses at DXB etc. Not having had passenger fatalities is a bad indicator for safety records in the 21st century. The ek521 report is a good example documenting systemic failures at EK

Well, if not ever having a fatality isn’t good enough, they’re consistently top 10 rated for safety. I just don’t buy ops criticism. It’s fine to not like Dubai, but emirates are provably one of the best airlines.

> they’re consistently top 10 rated for safety

By who? What's the criteria? You appear to be hand waving away the legitimate response you received.

Re: Airline worker arrested after sharing photos of bomb damage in WhatsApp group

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Post by schiffern »

jordanb wrote: post #88
schiffern wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>In most of the world such photos would be deemed of public interest and shared OTOH, anyone remember "loose lips sink ships?" Beyond the famous poster, it was backed up by robust censorship laws.[0][1] You might say it's different since we were at war, but this ignores how the threat model and immediacy is very different in the UAE vs here in the (geographically well protected/isolated) US. Battle damage assessment,…

Loose Lips Sink Ships was itself an information management scheme to avoid informing the public. The Germans didn't have spies collecting rumors in the US. Nor did they need them during Operation Drumbeat (the U-Boat attack on the US coast). The US was completely unprepared for Drumbeat. They had no harbor defenses, no convoys, inadequate and unprepared coastwatcher and patrol services. The point of the censorship is…

Mostly your post is just about the side-issue of whether (in 20/20 hindsight) the censorship in the USA was justified. However this ignores the fundamental double-standard toward the USA vs the UAE. In 20/20 hindsight the UAE censorship may turn out to be justified, or not, however we don't know yet.

  > And to the extent that the censorship was justified, yes, at the very least we were legally in a properly declared war.
Didn't I (preemptively) respond to this already?

"You might say it's different since we were at war, but this ignores how the threat model and immediacy is very different in the UAE vs here in the (geographically well protected/isolated) US."

In the UAE these laws are (equally) "proper" and "legal," so I don't see how the presence or absence of a formal declaration of war makes any difference here, or meaningfully responds to my point above.

Re: Airline worker arrested after sharing photos of bomb damage in WhatsApp group

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Post by jordanb »

schiffern wrote: post #157
jordanb wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Loose Lips Sink Ships was itself an information management scheme to avoid informing the public. The Germans didn't have spies collecting rumors in the US. Nor did they need them during Operation Drumbeat (the U-Boat attack on the US coast). The US was completely unprepared for Drumbeat. They had no harbor defenses, no convoys, inadequate and unprepared coastwatcher and patrol services. The point of the censorship is…

Mostly your post is just about the side-issue of whether (in 20/20 hindsight) the censorship in the USA was justified. However this ignores the fundamental double-standard toward the USA vs the UAE. In 20/20 hindsight the UAE censorship may turn out to be justified, or not, however we don't know yet. > And to the extent that the censorship was justified, yes, at the very least we were legally in a properly declared w…

Legal process is important when you're curtailing people's rights. Although I guess if you're going to argue that the regime is already despotic and lawless that's.. a valid argument that I concede to?

Re: Airline worker arrested after sharing photos of bomb damage in WhatsApp group

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Post by shell0x »

PearlRiver wrote: post #99

Seeing millionaires praise Dubai was really eye opening to me. Seems that we don't really value democracy and freedom of speech as much as we pretend. Give up the entire fucking Constitution for order, low taxes and non unionized servants.

I’d pick low taxes first. I lived in Singapore, Hong Kong for years and Dubai for few months and it’s significantly safer and cleaner. Taxes are low, law is enforced.

You don’t need freedom of speech if a place is well run. Look at Europe and America. Everyone has an opinion and nothing works properly

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