the US will kill every third space by any means necessary their dwindling to irrelevance, like the UK, could not happen faster
Have you thought about what replaces the US once they're irrelevant? Because it's probably something much worse.
US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification
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Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification
#152Right now the lobbyists are winning.
I hope Josh Gottheimer will get a lot of money for his work there.
I also remember a few weeks ago, people such as Poettering and others said this is all harmless, nothing bad would ever possibly happen.
Lo and behold, now it is the new mandatory law. All people will soon have to go for age sniffing, in order to access information. Linux is only for the Underground now.
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#153Politicians will do any draconian measure to help kids except try and improve the lives of their parents so that they can actually dedicate time to parenting. Making it slightly harder to access the internet fixes nothing. What if instead of having the largest prison population in the world our government supported communities that make raising good children possible? Our society needs to lose this urge to diagnose e…
IF it were for the kids - but I don't think it is.
> Making it slightly harder to access the internet fixes nothing.
This assumes it is about the children. But if you do not think so then it opens up new alternatives suddenly, be it from tracking people, to targeted ads or any other information that could be gathered and eventually either monetized or put in tandem with other information. We'd get age graphs that way too.
Before that we could speculate to some extent, but with mandatory age sniffing and id-showing at all times, those who track people and benefit from it, benefit now even more.
Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
If they're able to get a burner phone unsupervised then I think they could also pay an adult to do the face scan for them or borrow your ID from your purse to authenticate an account. What level of security would you need to totally prevent that kind of thing? Unless it checks your age every time you log in with biometrics I don't see it. (Of course adding any level of friction will deter some kids, but needing to ge…
We could e.g. try saying it's sufficient that the user makes ongoing credit cards payments as a proof of age. Or sure maybe you need to verify with every purchase, which is how e.g. alcohol works. Don't currently take payments for your business model? Probably what you're doing is anticompetitive and we shouldn't allow it anyway.
What about non businesses, like nonprofits, hobbyist groups, or individuals offering a service out of their own charity?
Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification
#155I read the bill and I feel like it's missing any technical details. It's almost like they read my suggestion [1] but then left some parts out. The technical parts. As I read it one can just enter whatever name, age and other details in the setup of a computer they desire. It's missing any checks for a header on the server to detect adult content labels. What am I missing? What forces me to enter my real information?…
The site "reclaimthenet" calls it age "verification", but it's not a "verification" at all. There's your mystery.
All the bill wants is that you can set up an iPhone for kids, an children account on Ubuntu (YOU decide whether it's a children's account) and then, presumably, the browser vendors implement an AgeAPI that allows website operators to query the user age.
Your device tells us you're 10 years old. Access to Instagram denied. Your device tells us you're 16. You're not allowed to visit gambling-porn-and-industrial-accidents.org
It's, of course, exactly the opposite of the "identity-tied age verification government-control, ID-document-leak" dystopia that the scare crowds here are peddling. But you'll never hear a word of acknowledgement from them.
These people act as if those "I'm 13 or older, i can create an Instagram account and waste my life" or "I'm 18 or older, let me watch porn and strangle my girlfriend" buttons are the peak of civilization.
Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification
#156Politicians will do any draconian measure to help kids except try and improve the lives of their parents so that they can actually dedicate time to parenting. Making it slightly harder to access the internet fixes nothing. What if instead of having the largest prison population in the world our government supported communities that make raising good children possible? Our society needs to lose this urge to diagnose e…
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Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification
#157I read the bill and I feel like it's missing any technical details. It's almost like they read my suggestion [1] but then left some parts out. The technical parts. As I read it one can just enter whatever name, age and other details in the setup of a computer they desire. It's missing any checks for a header on the server to detect adult content labels. What am I missing? What forces me to enter my real information?…
They have dropped all the decision making for the details in the lap of the politically controlled FTC. Which also means that future FTCs could change the rules based on political goals.
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Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
Brazil just passed the exact same law, nearly unanimously. Even the wording and definitions are exactly the same. This is scary as hell.
>This is scary as hell. "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." If it looks like a conspiracy, it's probably one.
It's not even a conspiracy at this point, Meta was proven to be lobbying hard for this via small proxy companies.
Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification
#159I read the bill and I feel like it's missing any technical details. It's almost like they read my suggestion [1] but then left some parts out. The technical parts. As I read it one can just enter whatever name, age and other details in the setup of a computer they desire. It's missing any checks for a header on the server to detect adult content labels. What am I missing? What forces me to enter my real information?…
The site "reclaimthenet" calls it age "verification", but it's not a "verification" at all. There's your mystery. All the bill wants is that you can set up an iPhone for kids, an children account on Ubuntu (YOU decide whether it's a children's account) and then, presumably, the browser vendors implement an AgeAPI that allows website operators to query the user age. Your device tells us you're 10 years old. Access to…
Ah, well that's at least half of what I suggested. Telling the site the age seems leaky to me, I would still prefer the apps check for the RTA header so all decisions stay on the device and not leak anything. Curious where it goes from here but based on your reply it does not seem quite as bad as I imagined. Thankyou for the clarification. I imagine eBPF or MAC rules could be used to block this.
Government should like the RTA header as they can fine sites daily that are missing it. Lobbyists could push companies that do the header checks.