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US national level OS-level age verification bill proposed

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#151

US should first implement a national identifier that can be used for healthcare purposes before implementing age verification, that would be a lot more helpful.

Oh, but that could be used for voting and we don't want that.

I can see another group getting very upset "They want to see my what before letting me buy a gun!"

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#152

US should first implement a national identifier that can be used for healthcare purposes before implementing age verification, that would be a lot more helpful.

Yes but they would need a functional healthcare system first.

I struggle with this. Outcomes for our healthcare system are much better than critics want to accept. Most of the negative health outcomes in the United States are mostly about our built environment - people who aren't very poor and live in walkable urban centers in the US have health outcomes similar to Europe. Those reading this website in the US often have outcomes that exceed their peers in Europe - we have much better cancer treatment, for instance. US city air quality is starting to beat European cities because we don't use nearly as much natural gas (NYC is better than Berlin, for instance, at pm2.5).

Most negative US health outcome factors can be traced to suburbanization, which is also where the vast majority of the gun violence is, and systemic racial wealth disparity. We have a pretty good healthcare system, we just need to subsidize it for people who can't afford it.

Re: US national level OS-level age verification bill proposed

#154

This is a stupid bill, but how is this an anti-LGBTQ issue?

Project 2025 includes a multi-prong plan specifically targeting LGBTQ and generally enforcing "christian values".

One of the prongs is requiring ID to go online. Another is to use a combination of media mergers with 'voluntary' government-controlled self-censorship to clamp down on unregulated speech.

So, its blast radius will be centered on LGBTQ issues, but it's designed to cover your comment too.

Re: US national level OS-level age verification bill proposed

#155
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I'm not sure why Meta's lobbying is harped on so much when all of Big Tech benefits from this; Zuckerberg is just the fall guy. Tech companies love the idea of identity / age verification so they can target ads more effectively. My general feeling is also that privacy is a thorn in their side when it comes to integrating more deeply into people's lives. There are also state actors at play here who would love if compu…

Google and Apple certainly don't benefit from this - they can serve more ads, track more data, and assume you're authorized to spend a gazillion dollars in a game if they don't know you're a child. One example of this was last year when high-profile apps like Candy Crush Saga and Clash of Clans were found to have privacy policies on their websites restricting users to 13+ so they could track and advertise more while…

Fair point on the plausible deniability they currently have w.r.t. children. I'm thinking more about the possibilities that open up when software can assume that OSes have this information and start gating access based on it. Once the APIs are there, I fear the internet will turn into a bunch of ID-related prompts before you can do anything. I haven't thought it through fully, but I imagine what we see as benign today like using an Adblocker could actually become more "serious" once they know your identity and can seek damages... we see companies wanting to use the legal system in Germany for example when people find a connection string in plaintext on the client instead of just fixing the security hole.

It seems like a more lucrative path to go down even if you lose the under-18 crowd gambling / watching ads on your platform.

Re: US national level OS-level age verification bill proposed

#156

US should first implement a national identifier that can be used for healthcare purposes before implementing age verification, that would be a lot more helpful.

Oh, but that could be used for voting and we don't want that.

It would give the federal government inappropriate control of state elections.

Re: US national level OS-level age verification bill proposed

#157

US should first implement a national identifier that can be used for healthcare purposes before implementing age verification, that would be a lot more helpful.

Oh, but that could be used for voting and we don't want that.

Voter ID changes would be a lot easier to swallow with a free national id that you don't have to register or fill out paperwork to get.

Maybe add in automatic voter registration to sweeten the pot?

Re: US national level OS-level age verification bill proposed

#158
post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure why Meta's lobbying is harped on so much when all of Big Tech benefits from this; Zuckerberg is just the fall guy. Tech companies love the idea of identity / age verification so they can target ads more effectively. My general feeling is also that privacy is a thorn in their side when it comes to integrating more deeply into people's lives. There are also state actors at play here who would love if compu…

Google and Apple certainly don't benefit from this - they can serve more ads, track more data, and assume you're authorized to spend a gazillion dollars in a game if they don't know you're a child. One example of this was last year when high-profile apps like Candy Crush Saga and Clash of Clans were found to have privacy policies on their websites restricting users to 13+ so they could track and advertise more while…

for the youngest ones, a lot of these are "mom's phone" or something like that, it's not even accurate to say you are identifying the user

Re: US national level OS-level age verification bill proposed

#159

Nonsense bills get introduced all the time. I’m not saying this shouldn’t be taken seriously, but this eventually getting codified is a long shot. There are so many issues with how this can work in practice. Best case it just asks how old you are like a website that shows mature content, and the user lies. So from a liability perspective that shifts it to the user who gave false information. Beyond that there’s no pr…

Age verification in general rolled out so fast, I'm more inclined to think that nonsense gets passed more easily if it enables going after drastically more control.

Re: US national level OS-level age verification bill proposed

#160

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This is an endless complaint I've heard for many years but Americans always vote for lobbied parties. They are clearly happy with this compared to whatever other reasons they have to vote. Somehow there's always something more important that makes them think "I'll tolerate a bit of corruption because at least he's promising XYZ".

As an american voter I confess you're right. - but also there aren't many good alternatives for us. Say you have 3 people running for senate to choose from. Canidate A and B have super PACs that spend $80 million each on ads. Canidate C doesn't. You could vote for canidate C, but he will likely lose - nobody sees anything about them, they can't employ many people to work their campaign, they don't get interviewed on…

Also the official presidential debates are a privately run event, not a public thing open to all candidates. The president isn't the only politician, but it exemplifies the problem that our election campaigns are privatized.
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