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OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable

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Re: OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable

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Post by naasking »

nomadygnt wrote: post #129
naasking wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If an OpenAI model helped someone create a cancer cure, they wouldn't see a dime from that beneficial act. So why should they be liable if someone does something harmful with the model?

If an OpenAI model helped someone create a cancer cure I guarantee that they would try to profit as much as possible from that fact. They have even talked in the past about having partial ownership over discoveries made with AI be part of the license. They would be all over that.

I'm sure if they could, they would, sure, as would any business. That's where competition enters the equation. They can't do it because their competitors would undercut them by requiring no such conditions.

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Post by WesolyKubeczek »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #120
ShowalkKama wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you can already gather the same information by searching online. Do you want to know how to kill yourself? forums are for nerds. Here is wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_methods#List Do you want to make a bomb? the first thing that came to my mind is a pressure cooker (due to news coverage). Searching "bomb with pressure cooker" yields a wikipedia article, skimming it randomly my eyes read "Step-by-st…

People are not complaining because the information is available people are complaining because it’s way easier now to just download an app ask a bunch of questions in a text box and get a bunch of answers that you personally could not have done unless you had an excessive amount of energy and motivation I personally think all this is great and I’m excited for all information to become trivially available Are they gon…

> people are complaining because it’s way easier now to just download an app ask a bunch of questions in a text box and get a bunch of answers that you personally could not have done unless you had an excessive amount of energy and motivation

Wait, I'm confused. This is gatekeeping, right? I thought gatekeeping was a Bad Thing!

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Post by senordevnyc »

ben_w wrote: post #143
tomjen3 wrote: post #106

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When my brother started to study Chemisty, he was told a) that it was easy to make meth b) the profit he would make and c) that the police would no doubt catch him, as only university students would make meth so pure. By the time he was done, he knew enough to commit mass murder in half a dusin different very hard to track ways. I am sure doctors know how to commit murder and make it look natural. My brother never ki…

> The solution is the same: punish people for their crimes, don’t punish people for wanting to know things. The LLMs aren't being punished for wanting* to know things. The problem for LLMs is, they're incredibly gullible and eager to please and it's been really difficult to stop any human who asks for help even when a normal human looking at the same transcript will say "this smells like the users wants to do a crime…

Ironically, it reads to me like they talking about the users wanting to know things, not the LLM.

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Post by SecretDreams »

goalieca wrote: post #149
himata4113 wrote: post #23

I have made both GPT 5.4 and Opus 4.6 produce me content on creating neurotoxic agents from items you can get at most everyday stores. It struggled to suggest how to source phosphorus, but eventually lead me to some ebay listings that sell phosphorus elemental 'decorations' and also lead me towards real!! blackmarket codewords for sourcing such materials. It coached me how to: stay safe, what materials I need, how to…

> All these findings were reported to both openai and anthropic and they were not interested in responding Let’s dive into why. When we run normal bounty and responsible disclosure programs there’s usually some level of disregard for issues that can’t / won’t be fixed. They just accept the risk. Perhaps because LLMs don’t have a clean divide between control and input that’s makes the problem unsolvable. Yes. You can…

The why might be valid, but it's not excusable. If you author a product that can so easily help people cause harm, you probably should own some responsibility of the outcomes. OAI does not like this, hence the bill.

The US already messed this up with guns. Do they want to go the same path again? Answer: "probably, yes".

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Post by cluckindan »

paprikanotfound wrote: post #107
Angostura wrote: post #94

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Replace ‘invented’ with ‘facilitated’

Doesn't google facilitate all those things? Doesn't internet itself facilitate?

Seems like the general state of the world is the greatest facilitator for all three.

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Post by himata4113 »

jsmith99 wrote: post #115
himata4113 wrote: post #70

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Well the real issue is that it knocks down the knowledge barrier, giving your step by step guides and reinterating what parts will kill you is the important part. Understanding and staying alive while producing neuro chemicals are the biggest challenges here. A depressed person with no prior knowledge could possibly figure out a way to make these chemicals without killing themselves and that's the problem.

They can do that by jailbreaking models but is that really easier and less work than getting it from Wikipedia?

We will only really know if (or when) it will happen. We can do a sample group of people attempting to create such chemicals under supervision and comparing how helpful they truly are.

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Post by pjc50 »

troupo wrote: post #85
Topfi wrote: post #66

Quoting the original bill [0]: > "Critical harm" means the death or serious injury of 100 or more people or at least $1,000,000,000 of damages to rights in property caused or materially enabled by a frontier model, through either: (1) the creation or use of a chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear weapon; or (2) engaging in conduct that: (A) acts with no meaningful human intervention; and (B) would, if commit…

It's the "guns don't kill people" equivalent for AIs. --- Before the pitchforks and downvotes: - yes, it's a deliberate simplification - yes, the issue is complex because you can also argue that you can't blame authors of encyclopedias and chemistry books for bombs and poisons, so why would we blame providers of LLMs - and no, this bill is only introduced to cover everyone's assess when, not if, LLMs use results in l…

Quite an appropriate analogy: gun manufacturers were sued for their responsibility in US mass shootings. They won, so the mass shootings continue.

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Post by raincole »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #120
ShowalkKama wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you can already gather the same information by searching online. Do you want to know how to kill yourself? forums are for nerds. Here is wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_methods#List Do you want to make a bomb? the first thing that came to my mind is a pressure cooker (due to news coverage). Searching "bomb with pressure cooker" yields a wikipedia article, skimming it randomly my eyes read "Step-by-st…

People are not complaining because the information is available people are complaining because it’s way easier now to just download an app ask a bunch of questions in a text box and get a bunch of answers that you personally could not have done unless you had an excessive amount of energy and motivation I personally think all this is great and I’m excited for all information to become trivially available Are they gon…

In other words, people are complaining that information is easily available. That's a lot words to express this simple idea.
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