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Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by ModernMech »

antisthenes wrote: post #150
ModernMech wrote: post #138

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I'm implying that Trump is the paragon manosphere avatar, and his administration is filled with little versions of him. The purpose of the entire administration is to challenge incumbent government apparatuses (it opened with DOGE which broadly did precisely that, they reoriented the DoD from defense to committing war crimes, they took over DOJ and turned it into a personal law firm for Trump, etc.) for the benefit o…

You have completely confused manosphere and far-right authoritarians in your mind. The manosphere movement is about fighting misandry, for men's rights, and, to be a little reductionist - how to get laid easily and avoid committing resources to women. It's basically the fan club of Andrew Tate and the likes. They are not competent or resourceful enough to take control of a government. There's an overlap in the venn d…

No my friend, it is you who have the manosphere confused. Because the manosphere is not a sphere at all but a pipeline to right wing authoritarianism. It's not separate and apart from far right authoritarianism, it's what creates far right authoritarianism. It starts with the "fight misandry" and "men's rights" but it quickly leads men toward MAGA grifters. It's not a men's rights movement it's a movement that exploits vulnerable men.

> There's an overlap in the venn diagram, sure. But it's much smaller than what you think it is.

If the overlap is small, you'll have to explain why there are no major left wing manosphere personalities. Everyone on the left I know and follow who are fighting for men's rights and fighting misandry (a fight I've joined) does not consider themselves "in the manosphere".

> They are not competent or resourceful enough to take control of a government.

They definitely have resources -- more than a few billionaires were responsible for that.

But taking over the government, apparently, does not require competence. All it takes is a thirst for violence, a willingness to break the law and constitution, the backing of major corporations and the richest person in the world, and for enough good people to do nothing.

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by hackyhacky »

xigoi wrote: post #148
hackyhacky wrote: post #53

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No, that's not at all what I'm saying. Rather, I am pointing out that irony in the hope that men, dismayed by the treatment of men in certain professions, but find within themselves the empathy to appreciate what women go through and to adjust their behavior accordingly.

You seem to be assuming that the men who exhibit toxic behavior toward women are the same people as those who find such behavior appaling when it’s toward men. Do you have any evidence for that?

Yes, I know many such people personally.

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by malfist »

renewiltord wrote: post #147
eudamoniac wrote: post #139

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Oh you didn't miss anything by not clicking on that link. Its just a let me google that for your shortener. He's not debating in good faith

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by lkey »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #149
lkey wrote: post #112

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Do you think your comment was any of those things? Why are you free from the bounds of courtesy, but fall back on them the moment someone responds in kind? Do you really believe that women cannot arc weld? Do you really believe that women cannot scuba dive? Do you really believe that women cannot lift 25kg or take out the trash? If you do, then it's rather unkind and incurious to cast half of the human population as…

> Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I can't imagine a good faith interpretation of 'women can't do physical labour'. A failing on my part I'm sure. do you have one?

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by kleiba2 »

thepryz wrote: post #70
kleiba2 wrote: post #27

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> the gender pay gap is still big and real Not that big however if you control for line of work (which industry), education, prior experience, and part-time vs. full-time employment.

Also worth noting that several studies have shown pay differentials to be highly correlated with women being less likely to negotiate compensation or ask for less. https://www.nber.org/digest/apr13/do-women-avoid-salary-nego...

Although newer studies seem to show that this is perhaps no longer such a big factor.

https://vcresearch.berkeley.edu/news/new-research-shatters-o...

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by kleiba2 »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #59
kleiba2 wrote: post #21

There are a number of reasons at play here why the premise of this article does not make much sense (without further context). Here are just five points: 1. For years, men have have had a much higher employment rate than women, e.g. 85 million men vs. 66 million women in the US in 2024 [1]. In other words, women are just catching up. 2. Women have a much higher rate of part-time jobs [1]. That is, a certain job would…

The premise of the article is exactly the same as the title. You’re making an assumption that anyone pointing out these numbers is claiming men are being oppressed, and then arguing against that. There’s no need. Almost no one is making that claim. The real issue is the opposite narrative. The idea that men broadly oppressed women across history, preventing them from participating in economic roles, and that modern o…

> You’re making an assumption that anyone pointing out these numbers is claiming men are being oppressed, and then arguing against that.

I'm sorry but I'm not making any such assumptions nor claims. Sorry if you got that impression. If anything, I'm referring to this part of the title: "What's going on with men?"

Other than that, thanks for your contribution - you're listing a lot of important points. If I may add one: disposable hygiene pads that actually work are a fairly recent invention. Through the centuries, women used all kinds of different measures to handle menstruation bleeding that were, however, often associated with social stigma. Therefore, splitting the daily work load such that women could stay was advantageous also just for this practical reason - I suppose it wouldn't have been so awesome to be out in the fields or in a factory during that one week of the month.

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by kleiba2 »

atmavatar wrote: post #100
lkey wrote: post #47

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> Employers are incentivized to hire women over men in case of equal qualification. You can't say this, unsupported by evidence, in Trump's America, where revanchist 'white guy DEI' is the ordering of the world. > Women earn better salaries than ever before ... This is a clever way of avoiding saying that the gendered pay gap still exists, in favor of men , but has been narrowing. What makes jobs that pay enough 'mor…

> ... This is a clever way of avoiding saying that the gendered pay gap still exists, in favor of men, but has been narrowing. In fact, it has started to reverse. When controlled for experience and hours worked, and comparing pay for the same job, young women out-earn young men. The reason for this is simple: the ratio of men and women in college has flipped since the 90s, going from 60:40 in favor of men to now roug…

I don't understand the argument why the gender ratio in college would have an influence on the pay gap?

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Post by unsupp0rted »

lkey wrote: post #154
unsupp0rted wrote: post #149

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> Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I can't imagine a good faith interpretation of 'women can't do physical labour'. A failing on my part I'm sure. do you have one?

I didn't say anything like that.

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Post by joe_mamba »

general1465 wrote: post #78
joe_mamba wrote: post #63

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Manosphere is a symptom, not a problem. And manosphere is a boogie-man nothing burger that has no leverage over men, since it's co-opted by grifters and scammers trying selling you courses. There's no actual "leader" there that men recognize.

Manosphere is perfect breeding ground for your own private army since a neolith. Currently manosphere is abused by grifters, but put there somebody with ideology who actually wants to do as much damage as possible, pool money together and you have terrorist training camp. And just to be clear, it really does not matter what ideology you will wrap your targets into.

>Manosphere is perfect breeding ground for your own private army since a neolith.

This is by far the silliest, most makes-zero-sense thing I read this year on HN.

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by mapotofu »

hackyhacky wrote: post #117
mapotofu wrote: post #116

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So male nurses should put up with toxic behavior so they can learn “empathy” and adjust their behavior. Sounds sociopathic, don't you think?

I feel that you are deliberately misinterpreting what I said in an effort to fit your own agenda. I never said anyone should put up with toxic behavior. What I said is that men should stop being toxic . That's what "adjust their behavior" means.

My agenda is against the obviously discriminatory stance that “men should stop being toxic”. It seems like a lot of people “deliberately” misinterpreted you, so maybe the problem is actually you.
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