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New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Post by throwaway290 »

Ntrails wrote: post #116
sleepychu wrote: post #92

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I am not parent comment, and I'm also not in favour of restrictions for all/most people in the name of "the kids" for all the reasons covered in this debate. Invasive age verification feels even worse. But I gotta tell I am not looking forward to deciding which is worse when my little kids grow up and I either have to: - let them use TikTok (or whatever it is by then) and suffer what I know to be an insidious poison…

> At the time, it sucked. In retrospect I totally agree Being parented essentially means rules applied that are in your long term interest despite your own preferences (typically shorter term). When I had to go to bed on time, it sucked. When I had to eat my vegetables, it sucked The kids who didn't watch soaps, didn't have phones, didn't get to see 15 films... etc, were fine in the end. This isn't a new concern. Eve…

> didn't have phones ... were fine in the end

Or depressed and suicidal because of being socially excluded in formative years. Let's roll the dice, what's the worst that can happen, more mentally sick adults? Clearly if we look around this is not backfiring in any way.

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neya wrote: post #139
tomhow wrote: post #126

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Please don’t try to deflect from your own disrespectful conduct with this kind of “are you going to...?” goading. We don’t moderate on the basis of such charged qualitative judgments as “fake news”. We uphold the guidelines. If someone is wrong, point out how they are wrong, in the conversational style the guidelines clearly call for. Doing it in this sneering and hostile way only weakens your point and trashes this…

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Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Post by zamadatix »

Aurornis wrote: post #60
zamadatix wrote: post #34

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It links to fca.org, gov.uk, and racfonudation.org. I think the goal of this page is activism rather than journalism though, and the donation links are a much more apt way for privacy activism funding than ads like on that news site.

I was looking for links or information about the age restrictions, not the other topics they were injecting. An article about the age restrictions should at least have some supporting evidence, or at minimum some screenshots like the article I linked.

Agree to disagree for the same reason the guidelines don't say anything about citing claims in comments: What you're looking for where claims are cited for a full background is provided, is not the only valid way to write something worthwhile on the internet.

You insist this piece should be in the form of a cited and fully explanatory journalistic article when writing such a blog post signals no such goal. The intent here is to alert for support, not to be a news source about the topic. Adding the news piece is great for the conversation here, it's just dunking on the post for not being that type of piece itself is overly dismissive.

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Post by bradley13 »

Camel. Nose. Tent.

For the moment, governments claim to want only she verification "for the children". Let's be honest: governments like the UK and Germany (to name two) are prosecuting people for posting unwanted opinions, or - heaver forfend - for insulting politicians.

To pursue those prosecutions they need identities. Age verification is the first step towards requiring your real identity in social media.

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Post by cmxch »

aembleton wrote: post #108
wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #66

Why stop at age? Not long till complete authentication of the human at every level is required to use a computer.

> Not long till complete authentication of the human at every level is required to use a computer. It'll be needed to tackle bots

s/bots/undesirables/

…at the end stage.

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Post by subscribed »

pixel_popping wrote: post #140
subscribed wrote: post #120

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If you value security and privacy on the phone there's really no alternative to GrapheneOS or iPhone (comparable security, worse privacy). It's pixel only at the moment, new Motorola devices expected in 2027.

LineageOS with no google services is fine too, most users don't actually need 90% of the Apps they are using.

LineageOS doesn't come close in terms of security, however it's an amazing project for all the hardware abandoned by the vendors -- however I wouldn't go as far as telling people they're using their phones wrong and don't actually need to use 90% of they apps they use :)

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Post by zimpenfish »

boysenberry wrote: post #138
zimpenfish wrote: post #110

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Finally This is the third (or fourth) update with this age check and the only one that doesn't enforce credit card (I don't have one), driving licence (I don't have one) or national ID card (I don't have one) as the only methods of verification. Absolute shambles of a rollout (and I'm hoping it was UKGOV requirements, not just Apple being braindead.)

For me, a 12+ year old account wasn't good enough.

That seems ... harsh.

I guess the logic must be "if it's less than 18 years, there's a slim possibility the owner is under 18."

Just in case people are creating Apple accounts for their newborn, I suppose.

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Post by Anthony-G »

zimpenfish wrote: post #111
JimDabell wrote: post #85

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> Brits are masters of malicious compliance. My favourite example of this was when Thatcher passed a law banning the broadcast of Sinn Féin. The BBC responded by dubbing the audio with actors’ voices. So you would watch the news and see an interview with Gerry Adams, but you would be hearing an actor speak his words, meaning the BBC were complying with the law by not broadcasting his voice.

> The BBC responded by dubbing the audio with actors’ voices. Don't forget the cherry on top - an actor who sounded exactly like Gerry Adams / whoever .

That would be the fabulous stage, screen and voice actor, Stephen Rea.

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Post by Rohansi »

Rohansi wrote: post #90
codebje wrote: post #61

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Relatively few newly walking babies have peers whose parents allow them to use stairs unattended making them feel socially excluded for not also using stairs unattended. Ignoring the existence of peer pressure and calling parents lazy is a failing of individuals.

This is not going to get rid of peer pressure. That existed long before kids had phones and it will continue to be a problem with this. Parents should be there to teach rather than just restrict. Kids will need to learn how to recognize and deal with peer pressure at some point. Also Apple definitely benefits from peer pressure generally. Their devices are seen as status symbols, the dreaded green bubbles, maybe more…

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