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ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by osti »

antirez wrote: post #34

Very good move. In my experience, for system programming at least, GPT 5.4 xhigh is vastly superior to Claude Opus 4.6 max effort. I ran many brutal tests, including reconstructing for QEMU the SCSI controller (not longer accessible) of a SVSY UNIX of the early 90s used in a 386. Side by side, always re-mirroring the source trees each time one did a breakthrough in the implementation. Well, GPT 5.4 single handed did…

Yup I've mentioned this in another thread, I got gpt 5.4xhigh to improve the throughout of a very complex non typical CUDA kernel by 20x. This was through a combination of architecture changes and then do low level optimizations, it did the profiling all by itself. I was extremely impressed.

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Post by MattGaiser »

abound wrote: post #149
MattGaiser wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What has the tech industry ever resisted on moral or reputational grounds?

One example I can think of is Google + Project Maven [1], where Google was partnering with the DoD but "withdrew in 2018 after internal protests". Though they've since partnered with the DoD on other initiatives [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Maven [2] https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-dep...

That is probably the most notable example and in the end, those few still lost.

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Post by simianwords »

rs_rs_rs_rs_rs wrote: post #124
mrdependable wrote: post #107

It's interesting seeing all the ChatGPT users in this thread, knowing what we know about OpenAI. Either they don't care about what OpenAI does, don't know their reputation, or feel like their use is too insignificant to matter.

What's with the holier-than-thou attitude? Why do you think you're better than someone using chatgpt?

People love to roleplay as activists because it gives their life some meaning and illusion of control

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Post by ThalesX »

Morromist wrote: post #135
rs_rs_rs_rs_rs wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's with the holier-than-thou attitude? Why do you think you're better than someone using chatgpt?

If an AI company has done unethical things do you think it is inappropriate to discuss that? Take Grok: among other things it created sexualized images of underaged women without their consent, not by accident but as a feature. Is that just something you want to ignore? In response the people in charge merely restricted the feature to paid subscribers instead of removing it. Do you think people who mention grok creat…

I for one am appalled at TCP/IP because it facilitates so much unethical behavior. I of course am holier than thou because I do not ignore this and am a voice that raises awareness. I shall not be silenced!

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by user34283 »

Morromist wrote: post #135
rs_rs_rs_rs_rs wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's with the holier-than-thou attitude? Why do you think you're better than someone using chatgpt?

If an AI company has done unethical things do you think it is inappropriate to discuss that? Take Grok: among other things it created sexualized images of underaged women without their consent, not by accident but as a feature. Is that just something you want to ignore? In response the people in charge merely restricted the feature to paid subscribers instead of removing it. Do you think people who mention grok creat…

I don't see a comment in this thread concretely discussing said unethical things.

Not sure why you felt the need to switch the topic to Grok. About its nudification incident, it seems a bit far stretched to say that malicious actors bypassing its safety controls was not an accident.

Initially, the image features were restricted to paying subscribers to prevent abuse by anonymous actors; this obviously happened while they were tightening safety controls to stop abuse.

If you're going to bring up that old topic, at least try to get the facts straight.

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by benjiro3000 »

aerhardt wrote: post #56
selectively wrote: post #2

Price drops are nice. Unfortunately, the quality differential versus the competitor is night and day. And everyone serious uses the API rate billing anyway.

> the quality differential versus the competitor is night and day. This myth about the inferiority of ChatGPT and Codex is becoming a meme. I have active subscriptions to both. I am throwing at Codex all kinds of data engineering, web development and machine learning problems, have been working on non-tech tasks in the "Karpathy Obsidian Wiki" [1] style before he posted about it. Not only does Codex crush Claude on c…

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Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by bob1029 »

rolls-reus wrote: post #106
bob1029 wrote: post #93

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GPT5.4 with any effort level is scary when you combine it with tricks like symbolic recursion. I actually had to reduce the effort level to get the model to stop trying to one shot everything. I struggled to come up with BS test cases it couldn't dunk in some clever way. Turning down the reasoning effort made it explore the space better.

can you explain what you mean by symbolic recursion tricks in this context?

The model can call a copy of itself as a tool (i.e., we maintain actual stack frames in the hosting layer). Explicit tools are made available: Call(prompt) & Return(result).

The user's conversation happens at level 0. Any actual tool use is only permitted at stack depths > 0. When the model calls the Return tool at stack depth 0 we end that logical turn of conversation and the argument to the tool is presented to the user. The user can then continue the conversation if desired with all prior top level conversation available in-scope.

It's effectively the exact same experience as ChatGPT, but each time the user types a message an entire depth-first search process kicks off that can take several minutes to complete each time.

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Post by recursive »

layer8 wrote: post #101
recursive wrote: post #46

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So curious that the cost in the comparison is just a flat $100, not "$100 or $200" and yet the usage has the "or". Surely just a lapse in copy editing.

It states “ From $100”. Standard pricing speak.

Unfortunately also standard pricing speak to make the "From" 20% the font size and decreased contrast. Maybe they learned it from car marketing.
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