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Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Paper doesn't spy on you.

If you don't give the app any permissions, it doesn't spy on you either. It doesn't have any more information than the info you give it to buy the tickets in the first place.

> If you don't give the app any permissions, it doesn't spy on you either.

What about the other apps? What about the phone itself?

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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For reference, this is the application: https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/com.bamnetw... 8 trackers, 49 permissions. Whatever reason they gave for requiring the application, evidently they couldn't resist selling out their users in the end. Disgusting.

Of course this is the actual reason they are forcing you to use the app. They dont give a crap about scalping.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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> Blaming scalping doesn't seem entirely plausible to me, because there was always the option of making the tickets and season passes non-transferable. That's not desirable either. You often can't make it to all the games, so they want you to be able to give some tickets to friends, etc. They're trying to prevent people who purchase the season pass to almost exclusively resell tickets to individual games. So you real…

>They're trying to prevent people who purchase the season pass to almost exclusively resell tickets to individual games. Why do you need a smartphone to do this when a white list checked against ID at the door would suffice? As the other respondent says, you either generate a badge for the passholder, or have an approved list of guests that can use the season pass if the passholder chooses to offer it to others.

Generating badges has loopholes. (Trust me I’ve used them). And IDing every person can be a mission on itself. Pretty sure they will just start using biometrics in the next decade with or without your consent.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

#154

Well he has no responsibilities. His entire calendar is free, for the past two decades. They came out 17 years ago. He can go get one and learn how to use it.

I have absolutely no sympathy for people who choose not to get with the times. We all took our time to learn how to use a smartphone. He could have too but chose not to. Probably refused to learn to use tap to pay, ATMs, etc as well. You chose to opt out of society. You are no longer part of it.

(I’m not happy that you need an app to buy tickets, but that’s a different thing — he didn’t choose not to own a smartphone out of principle)

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

#155

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>They're trying to prevent people who purchase the season pass to almost exclusively resell tickets to individual games. Why do you need a smartphone to do this when a white list checked against ID at the door would suffice? As the other respondent says, you either generate a badge for the passholder, or have an approved list of guests that can use the season pass if the passholder chooses to offer it to others.

Generating badges has loopholes. (Trust me I’ve used them). And IDing every person can be a mission on itself. Pretty sure they will just start using biometrics in the next decade with or without your consent.

They already do! See Madison Square Garden [0] and The Intuit Dome [1]!

[0] https://www.npr.org/2023/01/21/1150289272/facial-recognition...

[1] https://stadiumtechreport.com/feature/intuit-dome-leaning-on...

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

#156

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Have you had the pleasure of coaching a technologically illiterate grandparent through the process of learning how to use a smartphone? It’s a never-ending job and disheartening for all parties involved. Modern mobile UX is not designed with accessibility for the elderly in mind, and it is constantly changing in a way that demands constant re-learning. Not to mention the disabilities and neurological conditions often…

I'm in my 40s, there is a shit ton of modern UX I struggle with. Basically anything gesture based for example, but really a lot of apps are just shit and have no sensible UX design behind them, so you need to try to click everything and hope you don't mess something up. To me it's easy to see how someone over 70 might simply refuse to use an app. Especially if it doesn't support scaling the UI to well.

The first time I used iOS I noticed a lot of things it considers "normal" are completely undiscoverable unless you know.

Swipe down from the top. No, the other top.

Click share, now click "find in page". Wait, that doesn't share at all?

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

#157
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It does seem pretty unreasonable to me. He’s an 81yo life long dodgers fan. You make exceptions like you’ve always done. It’s what makes human, and sets us apart from computers. Someone at the soulless corporation fucked up, and there will be no consequences, even though there should be.

They could have done this for like 5 game minutes of what they pay Ohtani (~$500). But it fits with the general trend of MLB being openly hostile to their fans for a while now.

what they one day will pay Ohtani. Eh, they're not not paying him this year too, never mind.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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This guy has a flip phone. Seems like that was the last “new” thing he could learn. Its user flows never change and he’s memorized it. The idea that the average old person is so obstinate that they would refuse to learn the new technology if it was easy to do so is not something I can accept. Not being able to communicate and interact with the modern world on its terms isn’t fun for anyone.

There's an older guy at my office who often says "if you don't want to do something, don't learn how" and I think this attitude is common. It's not that they can't learn this smartphone stuff, they just don't want to use it.

That's their choice, but they also choose to suffer the consequences. Expecting the world to cater to your needs specifically is such a typical boomer attitude and should no longer be tolerated.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

#159

From my quick research online, it seems they've gone digital-only for season tickets because they don't want people just reselling them to turn a profit. They want actual season-long fans, so now if you transfer too many games they can track it and ban you. This is essentially anti-scalping. There's a legit justification. You can still buy paper tickets at the stadium for a single game. But not for season passes anym…

Soooo money is worthless now? … because tech?

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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The problem with this argument is that forcing people to use technology, without proper training and against their will, introduces them to risks as well. Anyone with older parents/family can tell you the harms that come with phishing and other fraud scenarios that cost more than just accommodating people not using technology, both at the micro and macro level. Insulting people and bullying them into technology adopt…

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80 year old people do not have the same neuroplasticity as 20 year olds. It is not reasonable to expect them to quickly learn new things that are constantly changing.

In particular, it's very reasonable to be 80 and decide "I don't want to deal with learning how to use a smartphone and getting one".

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