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Iranian missile blitz takes down AWS data centers in Bahrain and Dubai

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Re: Iranian missile blitz takes down AWS data centers in Bahrain and Dubai

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Middle East isn’t some 3rd world. If you can imagine futuristic cities, rich Middle East countries are already living in them with all the oil wealth. They have phones, computers, digital services just like the US and Europe. Makes sense they want a data center in the region, close to them just like the US and Europe have data enters close to their users.

Americans seem to think the middle-east is some dystopian place where everyone is near poverty living in mudhuts, when places like Iran have a higher level of literacy than the USA, with more female college graduates. There's definitely a lot of issues that need to be addressed at a cultural and social-economical level in places like Dubai exploiting migrant workers like slaves, the UAE, etc... but America has plenty…

One thing we've always been exceptional at is thinking we're exceptional

Re: Iranian missile blitz takes down AWS data centers in Bahrain and Dubai

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Middle East isn’t some 3rd world. If you can imagine futuristic cities, rich Middle East countries are already living in them with all the oil wealth. They have phones, computers, digital services just like the US and Europe. Makes sense they want a data center in the region, close to them just like the US and Europe have data enters close to their users.

Slight tangent, but to me futuristic cities are actually places like Amsterdam, with cozy streets and bike lanes everywhere, not places like Dubai with 16-lane freeways and a quasi-slave underclass staffing the tacky malls.

It's 40+ degrees every day in the summer with high humidity, nobody who can afford a car is cycling in any of these cities.

It's not really about town planning it's just how it is

Re: Iranian missile blitz takes down AWS data centers in Bahrain and Dubai

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Not to be insensitive about the humanitarian and economic situation, but, I am curious why there are data centers in that region at all? It just seems horribly inefficient from a cooling and electricity standpoint. Not to mention water. My pessimistic assumption is that Amazon said "yes" to handouts from regional government efforts to be relevant in tech, and that those data centers dont really matter to anyone but l…

They have the cheapest oil in the world and in the future (and present) they will likely have cheap solar energy. And until this fine misadventure, it was also possible they would get extremely cheap nuclear energy. Given that the Gulf is fairly central, has tremendous flight connectivity, has tremendous capacity for business and business conference growth, Dubai was only looking to increase its share of global finan…

I mean, that plan was basically never going to work long term, given climate change.

Re: Iranian missile blitz takes down AWS data centers in Bahrain and Dubai

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> I gave examples of it actually happening. Ironically Yemen (Houthis) are fighting not only with US but against other gulf sates like Saudi Arabia as well. It's not really an example that demonstrates unity in gulf. > The Taliban beat the US. Taliban, brought to you by US of A to combat Soviet Union's influence! Well, it seems they are done beating US and are now busy beating Afghan women. > The US tends to lose a l…

> Do they really? Vietnam. Afghanistan. Iraq (it's an Iran proxy now). Korea was a stalemate. Pretty much every time the US goes alone against a medium-sized country, it doesn't end in victory.

Korea was wiped off the map… until the Chinese arrived with nukes and millions of soldiers. That wasn’t a Korean victory.

Vietnam was wiped off the map… until the Chinese arrived with millions of soldiers. The Vietcong had something like a 99% yearly casualty rate. They were completely obliterated every year of fighting, but more villagers were simply conscripted and sent forward into the napalm.

Re: Iranian missile blitz takes down AWS data centers in Bahrain and Dubai

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Middle East isn’t some 3rd world. If you can imagine futuristic cities, rich Middle East countries are already living in them with all the oil wealth. They have phones, computers, digital services just like the US and Europe. Makes sense they want a data center in the region, close to them just like the US and Europe have data enters close to their users.

As I understand it in most cases they have enormous wealth disparities, so like the rich in Dubai have pampered tourist experiences but there's also serious issues with like lacking basic sewer infrastructure for ordinary people.

Isn't that exactly the kind of environment where Amazon thrives? Exploit the rich and the poor at the same time.

Re: Iranian missile blitz takes down AWS data centers in Bahrain and Dubai

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I said "independent to the degree possible", not absolutely. I do not live in a binary world. I accept things in between. Being part of group should be voluntary, not forced What I definitely do not want is my life to be dictated by a few imbeciles at the top who are bought by large corps to pretend to be "by the people for the people".

Isn't it expected that in a system that favors individualism over collectivism that a few people will be able to amass disproportionately more wealth and power than everyone else with no incentive or societally enforced responsibility to share that wealth and power, thus creating a society were your life is dictated by a few imbeciles at the top, not who are not bought by large corps, but who own the large corps?

Collectivism has many problems as well including that some are "more equal" and amass the same disproportional wealth (maybe under the cover and not placated but it is still there).

Re: Iranian missile blitz takes down AWS data centers in Bahrain and Dubai

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Why is it said? Being independent to the degree possible is the best state for human being I think.

Independent? You say independent, I say parasitic. Just like any ruling class of the Middle East, especially the UAE. They’re not independent, they’re very much dependent on the semi slave labor they manage to exploit. Anything that makes life worth living is the result of collective labor. People coming together and building or learning upon previous knowledge. Hell, even your understanding of yourself comes from th…

>" This desire to be what amounts to an outcast"

I think you have to get off your meds first

Re: Iranian missile blitz takes down AWS data centers in Bahrain and Dubai

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Not to be insensitive about the humanitarian and economic situation, but, I am curious why there are data centers in that region at all? It just seems horribly inefficient from a cooling and electricity standpoint. Not to mention water. My pessimistic assumption is that Amazon said "yes" to handouts from regional government efforts to be relevant in tech, and that those data centers dont really matter to anyone but l…

Middle East isn’t some 3rd world. If you can imagine futuristic cities, rich Middle East countries are already living in them with all the oil wealth. They have phones, computers, digital services just like the US and Europe. Makes sense they want a data center in the region, close to them just like the US and Europe have data enters close to their users.

>They have phones, computers, digital services just like the US and Europe.

Wow, really?!

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