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Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by ModernMech »

pscanf wrote: post #40

I gave up on r/programming after an article I wrote (thoughtfully, without AI, even though the content might not have been super interesting) got mod-slapped with a stickied comment "This content is low quality, stolen, blogspam, or clearly AI generated". Ironically, that comment was added three months after I posted the article, when it was nowhere near the front page anymore, in a clearly automated and AI-driven re…

Do you think maybe it's the disclosure about self promotion you added? You explicitly say the purpose of the blog post is to promote your consultancy, so that might be why they marked it blogspam. I know it feels like you're being forthright, but really that you're promoting yourself is implicit in the fact it's a personal blog, so you can leave that out and still be honest.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by [deleted] »

archagon wrote: post #146
JKCalhoun wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but if r/programming can't include the combination/hybrid then the whole subreddit is likely doomed to obsolescence. That genie's not going back into the lamp. (Heck, I've leaned on LLMs to generate damned SwiftUI code for me.)

I mean, no, why would it be? There is so, so much to talk about in programming other than AI. Meanwhile, the current HN front page feels like 90% LLM spam: the complete antithesis of what I used to come here for. I personally can’t wait for no-ai communities to proliferate.

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Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by ModernMech »

jyrkesh wrote: post #44

I know this snarky, I'm sorry ahead of time. But I don't know how else to make this point... The fact that the people running r/progamming don't know not to wait until April 2 to publish this tells me that they don't have real-world experience in shipping software in a business environment. We are SO past the point of software being developed without LLMs at _all_, the trend line is never going to reverse. I don't un…

lol yeah the people running the programming subreddit don't understand social context, who could have guessed?

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

#154

Post by hu3 »

chneu wrote: post #136
redox99 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> AI programming is fundamentally different from programming It's really not. Maybe vibecoding, in its original definition (not looking at generated code) is fundamentally different. But most people are not vibe coding outside of pet projects, at least yet.

>But most people are not vibe coding outside of pet projects, at least yet. Major corporations have had outages thanks to AI slop code. Lol the idea that people aren't vibe coding outside of pet projects is hilarious.

The idea that everyone using LLMs is vibe coding is equally hilarious.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by allanmacgregor »

TheChaplain wrote: post #91

Seems a lot of commenters here dislike their decision, I like it though. LLM-generated projects, articles, blogs are low-effort products lacking authenticity. And the discussion on LLM itself can in the long run be fairly tiring, follow r/LocalLLaMA for a while and you'll see what I mean. But if you are really into LLMs though, that sub is great. It is simply not fun to go on to a subreddit, seeing 90% being projects…

> LLM-generated projects, articles, blogs are low-effort products lacking authenticity.

I think this is mostly true but not completely true, LLMs are a tool and right now we are learning how to use it, how to use it well and more importantly how not to use them.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by allanmacgregor »

veqq wrote: post #67
simianwords wrote: post #48

A question to people here: what’s a smallish community for tech with a slightly more serious level of discourse that this subreddit?

https://lobste.rs/

Lobste.rs is against AI in a pretty fanatical way and most posts have little to no discussion, also good luck accessing them if you use Brave Browser

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by tolerance »

archagon wrote: post #146
JKCalhoun wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but if r/programming can't include the combination/hybrid then the whole subreddit is likely doomed to obsolescence. That genie's not going back into the lamp. (Heck, I've leaned on LLMs to generate damned SwiftUI code for me.)

I mean, no, why would it be? There is so, so much to talk about in programming other than AI. Meanwhile, the current HN front page feels like 90% LLM spam: the complete antithesis of what I used to come here for. I personally can’t wait for no-ai communities to proliferate.

Taking your estimate as a superlative, it would be asinine for the community here to censor AI-targeted discussions in the way I think you'd like to. The same goes for a programming community that censors discussions about LLM programming.

You are basically asking for a brain drain in a field that—like it or not—is going to be crucial in the future in spite of its obvious warts and poor implementation in the present. If that's what you want, be my guest and encourage it; but who's authorized to unilaterally make that decision in a given forum?

In the present case, the moderators for r/programming are. But they're making a mistake by marginalizing the technology that's redefining the practice because people talk about it too much instead of thinking about how to effectively talk about it and then steering the community in that direction.

But that's a full-time job. Which is why I think HN may turn out alright in the long run or a similar community will replace it if it fails to temper the change in the industry.

What this decisions signals to me is that r/programming has been inert for some time. I'm sure plenty of programmers, irrespective of their position on AI, probably find the community rejoicing in their resignation to the technologies influence as their cue to finally exit.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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Post by tarsinge »

jyrkesh wrote: post #44

I know this snarky, I'm sorry ahead of time. But I don't know how else to make this point... The fact that the people running r/progamming don't know not to wait until April 2 to publish this tells me that they don't have real-world experience in shipping software in a business environment. We are SO past the point of software being developed without LLMs at _all_, the trend line is never going to reverse. I don't un…

> We are SO past the point of software being developed without LLMs at _all_

That's exactly why I've given up on programming, development or career subreddits. There are a lot of interesting software engineering challenges opening up, but instead of discussing it like professionals it all gets drowned in a big negative mixture of rants against the financial AI bubble, companies using AI as an excuse to lay off, and a general antiwork vibe. All these subreddits have become feel good/bad echo chambers for angry teens and students with no real world professional experience.

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