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Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by lazide »

aogaili wrote: post #147
lazide wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hoho ho. Hardly helped anyone in Bakmut eh? And hardly how China or India are likely to work too. That future you seem to think is inevitable is very far from it:

What this had to with with my arguments regarding the nature of future warfare, the emerging world economical order? There is no point in history where we had such connected economies and this kind of autonomous war technology. All previous wars were fought by human bodies. We are witnessing the first generation of wars that becoming completely autonomous.

There seems to be an assumption of ‘power to the people’, and ‘just world’, that just doesn’t seem to match reality at all.

That’s what I am responding too.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by aogaili »

iamnothere wrote: post #148
aogaili wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we reached the end of your arguments because we are repeating. As I said, I don't think this is the same as the past, not even close. You can't assume the same results from a very different preconditions, yet you keep doing this. The second point, you don't need to see far to understand, especially after this war with Iran, that the world economy is one organism, and you can't shoot the feet and hope to run h…

It doesn’t matter that it is one organism, there are those who benefit from this arrangement and those who do not. Those who do not would often prefer to tear it down even at the cost of their own lives. This is human nature and cannot be changed. The increasing complexity of the supply chain comes with extreme fragility, and a series of cascading shocks could unravel it as in the Bronze Age. Over a sufficient time f…

I don't want to appear argumentative but it ironic that you said that you once believe as I do, because I also once believed as you do.

What changed my mind is technology and not human nature.

1) Advancement in AI/Robotics/Drones that enabled asymmetric warfare

2) And this is the point that I don't think you are seeing, is that I don't think the future governance will actually be done by humans. Maybe "older" folks here would think it is fantasy/sci-fi, but I think as AI improve, the world gets more complex, and human brain show more limitation nations will gradually opt to using AI to make key decisions. Eventually, I think the entire economy will be managed by some sort of AI or a network of AIs. And I think it is the new generation that will be building those systems, the ones currently growing with AI.

I don't think you thought about that, because your point is that human nature is flawed, which I agree with, given that we are chimps with bigger brains. But that slight brain advantage gave us better technologies, and it seems to me it would either be the thing that completely destroy us or govern us to a better future (one would hope). The last point I want to add, humanity has walking on a very thin rope, and I think if we see a path forward, regardless of how narrow, we should aim for it. You keep your eyes on the rope when you know you can easily fall..and you certainly do not look back.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by aogaili »

lazide wrote: post #151
aogaili wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What this had to with with my arguments regarding the nature of future warfare, the emerging world economical order? There is no point in history where we had such connected economies and this kind of autonomous war technology. All previous wars were fought by human bodies. We are witnessing the first generation of wars that becoming completely autonomous.

There seems to be an assumption of ‘power to the people’, and ‘just world’, that just doesn’t seem to match reality at all. That’s what I am responding too.

Where is the assumptions? it is not just world. It is a world ruled by constrains and for better or worse human nature.

There is no people involved at all, in fact my argument is that there will be no people involved in wars..I'm just extrapolating on the what we are seeing today. Also nobody really understands reality fully not predict the future. We are just speculating here on what might happen. You surely don't understand reality and you said you can't imagine anything else.

Alright, so in your mind the world and future war will stay the same, regardless of drones, robotics and AI. Frankly, I don't understand what your argument is other than saying fantasy and doesn't match the reality that somehow you know more.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by aogaili »

lazide wrote: post #150
aogaili wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So future = fantasy in your mind? you can not speculate anything beyond the present? well, that is limitation in your thinking.

More like the first two definitions of the word - literally. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fantasy

Again, poor argument. You can't speculate or think of the future..so if I do what you do, I say you are retarded - literally https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/retarded.

But that is not argument, that just us name calling each other, and I was hoping you have something of substance.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by jacquesm »

DoctorOetker wrote: post #65
alephnerd wrote: post #50

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They are. EW and IR C-UAS has been productionized over the past decade in most countries, but there are still supply chain and cost blockers around power electronics and they tend to be treated as a last resort because of their indiscriminate nature.

A magnet, a conventional explosive, and a coil on a flexible cylinder of polymer film; are power electronics truly necessary for a localized EMP?

I'll bet you could make it in a weekend.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by casey2 »

aogaili wrote: post #52

At this point might as well just play strategy video game and call it a day? Both sides staring at screens, controlling drones fighting each other.. why use physical drones at all? abstract it away and play video game? In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively, and those who can't produce any more drones, lose. If you think about, we moved human one-…

6 weeks equates 84 average sized US highschools worth of people dying on the Russian side and twice as many coming back with life altering injuries. I'm not sure how a country can survive that.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by lazide »

aogaili wrote: post #154
lazide wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More like the first two definitions of the word - literally. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fantasy

Again, poor argument. You can't speculate or think of the future..so if I do what you do, I say you are retarded - literally https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/retarded . But that is not argument, that just us name calling each other, and I was hoping you have something of substance.

Bwahahahahahaha

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by DoctorOetker »

jacquesm wrote: post #155
DoctorOetker wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A magnet, a conventional explosive, and a coil on a flexible cylinder of polymer film; are power electronics truly necessary for a localized EMP?

I'll bet you could make it in a weekend.

Only if one understands the different failure modes, but either way the average HN reader shouldn't try this at home or you'll get in trouble with radio spectrum pollution.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by [deleted] »

neonstatic wrote: post #55
aogaili wrote: post #52

At this point might as well just play strategy video game and call it a day? Both sides staring at screens, controlling drones fighting each other.. why use physical drones at all? abstract it away and play video game? In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively, and those who can't produce any more drones, lose. If you think about, we moved human one-…

> abstract it away and play video game? What happens when one side wins? In the real world, they actually win. In the video game, nothing happens > In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively In other words, in the near future it might work the exact way it has always worked. > they could easily kill the people, but other nations won't allow it, so it…

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Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by aaron695 »

dmos62 wrote: post #25

Someone here said "[Russian] tactical units", "smoke grenades". They must be joking. A drone like this is defending against 2-3 50-year-olds without military experience wading through a bombed out tree-line into almost certain death, because there are literal firing squads waiting if they don't. With a huge round like 12.7, all you have to do is fire pot shots in the general vicinity while drone pilots do the rest. A…

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