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Re: Car Seats as Contraception

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Post by nradov »

bradley13 wrote: post #78

Wow, talk about the law of unintended effects! Without going into the specifics of car seats, I do think we overemphasize safety. The article mentions saving 57 children. How much are 57 lives worth? The answer is not infinite - a life has a numeric value, ask any insurance company. Every safety regulation ought to pass a cold-blooded cost/benefit analysis. Few of them do.

Actually most federal agencies do conduct a cold-blooded cost/benefit analysis when considering new safety regulations. The statistical value of a human life is around $10M. The problem is that they don't consider second-order effects as a "cost" within that framework. And realistically there's no way for regulators to estimate those effects.

https://journalistsresource.org/economics/value-statistical-...

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Post by stephenbez »

jacquesm wrote: post #150
stephenbez wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A relative of mine bought a house in central Illinois for $90k a few years ago. She's a single mom and works as a bank teller. There are plenty of places that can be afforded on a single income if you work in tech and can work remotely. Examples: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/10-Regina-Dr-Paris-IL-619... https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/804-N-Walnut-St-Pontiac-I...

Banks still have tellers?

Or at least some customer service people who are in the branches.

Re: Car Seats as Contraception

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Post by jjcob »

em-bee wrote: post #115
tialaramex wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you make kids share a bedroom it drastically decreases the margin for tension between children because they don't have anywhere else. That can work, of course, but it might not and too fucking late for the kids if it doesn't. That can mean physical abuse, but it can mean things like one kid loves loud music and the other wants to read quietly alone, or their sleep schedules naturally don't align well - if you were…

sharing a room forces kids to learn to get along. giving them their own room early deprives them from that experience. loud music is not going to work in many places even if you have your own room. if siblings are so incompatible that they can't bear living together than they have bigger problems than sharing a room. physical abuse among siblings points to deeper issues that are not caused by sharing a room, nor does…

giving each of our kids their own room reduced our families stress level significantly. it's not 100% necessary, but i really don't think that making kids share a room helps them get along better....

Re: Car Seats as Contraception

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

reeredfdfdf wrote: post #74
yread wrote: post #55

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Daycare is like 3000eur/month for 3+ years. You can probably lease a double decker for that money

I guess that's how it is in America. If you are lucky enough to live in the Nordics, you pay far, far less, sometimes nothing at all. I don't think anywhere near 3000 a month for 3 kids is normal in most of other EU either. So, over here car seats may be a much bigger factor than daycare costs.

It's free for over-3s in Scotland, and while I can't quite remember what it cost for a 2-year-old, I know it was around the £500/month mark.

You could put two children through the local Montessori nursery for three grand a month, but frankly the parents (and children) there are a bit odd. Nice enough, just a bit odd.

Re: Car Seats as Contraception

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

Ir0nMan wrote: post #132
steveBK123 wrote: post #130

I've mentioned this in another thread when the topic came up, but this has other effects like availability of backup childcare. With kids, unbelievably, needing some form of car seat until the age of 8~12.. you are limited in who can help with pickup/dropoff/after school programs to someone who borrows your car or is doing so often enough to buy the correct sized car seats for each of your kids. The upper limit being…

People are putting 12 year olds in car seats!?

If they're too short to fit safely in a seat and use the normal seat belt without one, then yes, a 12-year-old needs a booster seat even if it's not a "child seat".

In the UK the limit is 135cm, which is about the right height for the average 9-year-old, so you're talking about a very small 12-year-old indeed - a good 15cm shorter than average.

Re: Car Seats as Contraception

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Post by doubled112 »

decafninja wrote: post #90

My wife and I are DINKs. We drive a smallish CUV. Her cousin drove it, fell in love, and bought the same car. It’s really a perfect allrounder - looks nice, is luxurious, more than enough space for us, even drives like a sports car (or at least as close to a CUV can hope to). Then said cousin had a baby. People around him scolded him for not selling the car for something much bigger - like a Kia Telluride or a Honda…

We had two kids (newborn and 3) in car seats and a Ford Focus. The other car was a Jetta.

The Focus even had a small aftermarket amp and sub in the trunk. Everybody and their things still fit, although the sub did come out for long trips for that extra cargo.

The Golf Wagon that came later still fit us and the dog. About 90lbs of her would fit in the back and she could drool all over the kids.

Sometimes I wonder what I am missing.

Re: Car Seats as Contraception

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

steveBK123 wrote: post #130

I've mentioned this in another thread when the topic came up, but this has other effects like availability of backup childcare. With kids, unbelievably, needing some form of car seat until the age of 8~12.. you are limited in who can help with pickup/dropoff/after school programs to someone who borrows your car or is doing so often enough to buy the correct sized car seats for each of your kids. The upper limit being…

In the UK, children that would otherwise need a child seat can travel without one in a taxi, or if the journey is unexpected and necessary, or if your car does not have rear seat belts.

So I guess you need to get something from the early 80s.

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Post by metalman »

jacquesm wrote: post #150
stephenbez wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A relative of mine bought a house in central Illinois for $90k a few years ago. She's a single mom and works as a bank teller. There are plenty of places that can be afforded on a single income if you work in tech and can work remotely. Examples: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/10-Regina-Dr-Paris-IL-619... https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/804-N-Walnut-St-Pontiac-I...

Banks still have tellers?

Worse. Some people even deleet all of there online banking, except, for an account that can recieve funds from online sources, and then deal with everything in person at the bank. Which then frees up devices to skip the whole closed source misery go round.

Re: Car Seats as Contraception

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Post by jacquesm »

metalman wrote: post #158
jacquesm wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Banks still have tellers?

Worse. Some people even deleet all of there online banking, except, for an account that can recieve funds from online sources, and then deal with everything in person at the bank. Which then frees up devices to skip the whole closed source misery go round.

Here in NL you can't and there is this massive push to get a smartphone and a banking app. Hardware attestation coming to a device near you soon.

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Post by shiroiuma »

randerson wrote: post #19
mothballed wrote: post #5

The law in my state doesn't require car seats be in the back if it's full or not possible. IIRC they also aren't required if there's no more room. I put my kid up front in my truck that had zero back seats, only a couple people said anything and I told them to pound sand, it certainly wasn't illegal.

Legal or not, there are real safety reasons not to put a small child up front. I bet your car's user manual says not to put kids up front. The safety systems are designed with minimum height & weight assumptions. The front seat belts aren't designed for a car seat. But most importantly, airbags explode with serious force that can break bones in a kids face. If they're in a rear facing car seat it can strike the seat…

>But most importantly, airbags explode with serious force that can break bones in a kids face.

They've been known to knock children's head off even. Because of that, they started putting switches in trucks to disable the passenger airbag, and also working to reduce deployment force, esp. if the weight in the passenger seat was low.

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