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Re: I'm betting on ATProto

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Post by gzread »

8organicbits wrote: post #128
gzread wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FYI the activitypub RFC won't actually help you. What you have to do is copy how Mastodon actually communicates with other copies of itself. If you base your work on the RFC, it won't actually communicate with Mastodon or with all the other software that pretends to be Mastodon.

What incompatibilities do you know about?

Actually implementing JSON-LD, or just copying the fixed format JSON that also happens to be valid JSON-LD. If you actually implement JSON-LD, it won't work even though the RFC says you should do that.

Re: I'm betting on ATProto

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Post by graemep »

verdverm wrote: post #149
graemep wrote: post #148

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> instant communication between random strangers about random topics Yes, but it requires both parts. HN works fine between random strangers, and random topics work fine with people you know. Its the combination that is toxic.

There's also something about to be said about reposts, which expand the reach by someone else's control. Many a dunk are performed this way and bring on the mob.

Also image sharing being easy. FB is overrun with (maybe real, maybe false) images of Twitter and Reddit posts and and comments. Images also tend to encourage simplistic statements, strawman attack, out of context quotes, etc.

Re: I'm betting on ATProto

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Post by twelvedogs »

rmoriz wrote: post #102
skybrian wrote: post #82

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I'm a fan of smaller communities that are semi-open: invite-only, but invites aren't that hard to get. Lobsters works that way. The BlueSky folks are designing "permission spaces" [1] that might be used to build that, though it's a bit early to say. [1] https://dholms.leaflet.pub/3mhj6bcqats2o

This lead to even more strict echo chambers because they effectively kill different opinions. The bubble will become even more strict and radical to people that are not living the cult.

while true i think it's inevitable. bots are most of the internet, limiting communities to known good actors is becoming incredibly important and the side effect of removing unknown good actors is difficult to get around

Re: I'm betting on ATProto

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Post by 8organicbits »

gzread wrote: post #151
8organicbits wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What incompatibilities do you know about?

Actually implementing JSON-LD, or just copying the fixed format JSON that also happens to be valid JSON-LD. If you actually implement JSON-LD, it won't work even though the RFC says you should do that.

Thanks, looks interesting. I think that's being tracked here: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/22720

Re: I'm betting on ATProto

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Post by verdverm »

graemep wrote: post #152
verdverm wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's also something about to be said about reposts, which expand the reach by someone else's control. Many a dunk are performed this way and bring on the mob.

Also image sharing being easy. FB is overrun with (maybe real, maybe false) images of Twitter and Reddit posts and and comments. Images also tend to encourage simplistic statements, strawman attack, out of context quotes, etc.

I would separate actual image sharing from screenshots that are more akin to reposts, the later often being the rage bate variety.

Re: I'm betting on ATProto

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Post by kevinak »

chokolad wrote: post #8
verdverm wrote: post #2

I bet on ATProto the last year, I've left this year. The network has been shrinking and the Bluesky leadership has been misleading about "user" numbers and hiding that they took private equity money. The atmo fund looks like a bunch of self dealing. I no longer trust any of them. This year, I'm betting less social media as being better and in the long-run a new protocol that learns from the mistakes.

> This year, I'm betting less social media as being better and in the long-run a new protocol that learns from the mistakes. Can you list protocol level mistakes made by ATProto?

Not parent but I wrote an article about how PDSs (the thing that hosts your data) control your signing and rotation keys. It's technically possible to self-host but as always, the default becomes the norm. 99.999% of users on ATProto host their data on BlueSky servers.

https://kevinak.se/blog/who-actually-owns-your-atproto-ident...

Re: I'm betting on ATProto

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Post by holgerschurig »

rmoriz wrote: post #103
gzread wrote: post #52

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How can you be banned from the fediverse?

Every server admin can ban your account. You can’t move a banned account. You lose everything. I was banned from mastodon.social because I dare to criticize the socialist regime of the former GDR on Germany‘s Independence Day.

Well, some of the non-centralized social media is quite left-wing. If someone favours the SED or other parts of the ex-GDR regime (like FDGB etc) then it's IMHO already bordering on left extremisms. After all these guys enslaved a hughe population to make people do their biddings. If that is not extreme, I can't say.

That said, if you insisted that some "Germany's Independence Day" existed, then it's perhaps that what got you banned. Germany was never really a colony. Not of UK, not of Spain or Portugal, or not in newer times of Russia. Many countries that were a colony of them, or just annexxed, have an independence day. Germany doesn't --- the last time it was partially colonized, in roman times, there was no Germany.

Perhaps you mean the reunification day :-)

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