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Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by thrance »

periodjet wrote: post #150

> Our political system has served the elite and maximised profit for too long, and now we’re seeing devastating effects on our environment, our economy, our democracy, and our everyday lives. That’s because the systems that are currently in place are built to benefit the rich and powerful. We want a better Europe. One that takes climate action seriously, puts well-being first, welcomes those seeking refuge with open…

What exactly do you disagree with here? The statement is not very substantive and a bit simplistic, but it's not exactly wrong either. Inequalities are rising, and the system is biased in favor of the owning class. The environment is more often than not forgotten about in lawmaking, which will lead to dire consequences down the line.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by deaux »

g-b-r wrote: post #37
deaux wrote: post #11

Sure, Europe should absolutely be saying no to Palantir. However > A powerful company enables genocide in Gaza, helps ICE separate families, and fuels Trump’s war with Iran So does Google, so does Meta, so does Oracle. What do you think all that Palantir software runs on in the clouds? On Palantir's own huge datacenters? They don'thave those. The huge bulk of it runs on it on clouds provided my Microsoft, Amazon, Goo…

The owners of the other companies are at least not as openly opposed to democracy, though. Meta sure causes more damage right now, but banning Palantir, which wouldn't even cause big problems, is an absolute no-brainer

Being "open" about it or not doesn't matter. In a sense it's even worse if they're less upfront about it.

Larry Elisson, Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg are cut from the exact same cloth. It's beyond doubt.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by deaux »

rvz wrote: post #66
deaux wrote: post #11

Sure, Europe should absolutely be saying no to Palantir. However > A powerful company enables genocide in Gaza, helps ICE separate families, and fuels Trump’s war with Iran So does Google, so does Meta, so does Oracle. What do you think all that Palantir software runs on in the clouds? On Palantir's own huge datacenters? They don'thave those. The huge bulk of it runs on it on clouds provided my Microsoft, Amazon, Goo…

> If you're going to single out one US tech company as "we need to stop cooperating with them", I don't see how it can be any other than Meta. Meta's products also profited off of the Rohingya genocide in Myanmar. [0] The lawsuit won't do anything, the employees at Meta are happy with all of that and Meta does not care. Anyone would have to be morally bankrupt to work at any of those companies and then knowingly put…

> The lawsuit won't do anything, the employees at Meta are happy with all of that and Meta does not care.

Correct, which is why my comment gets downvoted and these posts get mass upvotes and comments: it makes the legions of (ex-)FAANG HNers feel better about themselves.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by danny_codes »

simianwords wrote: post #102
tsimionescu wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Palantir's technology, as its own name suggests, is inherently dangerous, regardless of who controls it. The right alternative is to simply not build capabilities similar to Palantir in the EU - ideally, to legally forbid building them at all. This type of aggregated data flow simply gives too much control to whoever has access to it, and thus greatly harms democracy.

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Such a sad worldview. Unfortunately thinking like that is self-fulfilling. By building weapons you encourage everyone else to build weapons, and everyone is poorer in the end.

Some silly aspect of human nature I guess. I notice it's worse in men on average.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by danny_codes »

avazhi wrote: post #137

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Their CEO is a loon for one thing. But also the concept of spying is generally unsavory. Nobody wants to be tracked. Palantir has proven that they have no ethical framework for who they work with. Essentially they fill a mercenary role in modern society. Nobody really trusts mercenaries, for obvious reasons.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by lovelearning »

periodjet wrote: post #150

> Our political system has served the elite and maximised profit for too long, and now we’re seeing devastating effects on our environment, our economy, our democracy, and our everyday lives. That’s because the systems that are currently in place are built to benefit the rich and powerful. We want a better Europe. One that takes climate action seriously, puts well-being first, welcomes those seeking refuge with open…

To me, the assumptions in your comment about them and their views seem much more like stories of your own creation, likely without any empirical testing of the reality around you.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by frm88 »

simianwords wrote: post #100

How do we differentiate between genuine empathy and love for the world and simple virtue signalling? If USA weren't the one safeguarding (contentious but please read on) the world and its modern interests then we would end up with something much worse. If you only focus locally, it is quite easy to dismiss any form of killing, any form of surveillance and any form of inconvenience. This is "Defund the Police" meme al…

USA weren't the one safeguarding (contentious but please read on) the world

Another commenter posted a link collection of Palantir "safeguarding... the world" here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47564423. I feel you accurately described it as being contentious.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by lovelearning »

deaux wrote: post #11

Sure, Europe should absolutely be saying no to Palantir. However > A powerful company enables genocide in Gaza, helps ICE separate families, and fuels Trump’s war with Iran So does Google, so does Meta, so does Oracle. What do you think all that Palantir software runs on in the clouds? On Palantir's own huge datacenters? They don'thave those. The huge bulk of it runs on it on clouds provided my Microsoft, Amazon, Goo…

Your comment mistakenly assumes this is the only campaign around. But this is just one among many initiatives and websites. There are campaigns against other US big tech companies on this site itself:

- https://action.wemove.eu/sign/2026-01-omnibus-tech-petition-...

- https://action.wemove.eu/sign/2025-11-dpc-ireland-petition-E...

- https://action.wemove.eu/sign/2025-05-breakupbigtech-petitio...

- https://action.wemove.eu/sign/2025-01-elon-musk-dsa-petition...

- https://action.wemove.eu/sign/2024-12-Amazon-workers-petitio...

- https://action.wemove.eu/sign/2021-11-stop-big-tech-petition...

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Post by avazhi »

danny_codes wrote: post #155
avazhi wrote: post #137

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Their CEO is a loon for one thing. But also the concept of spying is generally unsavory. Nobody wants to be tracked. Palantir has proven that they have no ethical framework for who they work with. Essentially they fill a mercenary role in modern society. Nobody really trusts mercenaries, for obvious reasons.

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