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Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND

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Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND

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Post by fc417fc802 »

FireBeyond wrote: post #142
fc417fc802 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The thing about the legal system is there's no incentive to investigate to find the truth. The truth is much more complicated and involves politics. For example Seattle (and possibly other cities?) enacted a law that involves paying damages for being wrong in the event of bringing certain types of charges. But that has resulted in some widely publicized examples where the prosecutor erred by being overly cautious.

And then you have Florida who will bill you about $100 a day for finding yourself in a Florida jail, regardless of whether charges were dismissed, you were found not guilty or any such thing. And to nobody’s surprise, failure to pay this bill is in itself a Class B felony…

That sounds like a recipe for domestic terrorism - the systemic disenfranchisement of people who have done nothing wrong for no apparent reason other than sheer greed. How long has this been in effect there?

Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND

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Post by cogman10 »

FireBeyond wrote: post #147
cogman10 wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real problem here is she'll get money, who knows how much, but that ultimately does nothing to actually address the problems in the system. Effectively it just raises taxes to cover the cost of these failed prosecutions. Everytime one of these cases happens, a cop and a prosecutor should be out of a job permanently. Possibly even jailed. The false arrest should lose the cop their job and get them blacklisted, the…

> The false arrest should lose the cop their job and get them blacklisted There is actually a federal register for LEOs that have been terminated for cause or resigned to avoid termination. The police unions that operate in the jurisdictions that employ 70% of US police have negotiated into their CBAs that the register “cannot be used for hiring or promotional decisions”. Read into that what you will.

I'm generally pretty for unions, but the police union is one that's a complete cancer on society. It pretty much solely exists to make sure cops are free to harm the public without any sort of accountability.

Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

hnuser123456 wrote: post #109
rcvassallo83 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing about the legal system is there's no incentive to investigate to find the truth. The incentive is to prosecte and prove the charges. Speaking from the experience of being falsely accused after calling 911 to stop a drunk woman from driving. The narrative they "investigated" was so obviously false, bodycam evidence directly contradicted multiple key facts. Officials are interested only seeking to prove the c…

I would absolutely never call the police on a woman. Simply walk far away and let her be someone else's problem.

Unless it’s a Karen chasing you and yelling and threatening to call the police on you for some asinine reason?

Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND

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Post by retrochameleon »

helterskelter wrote: post #150
retrochameleon wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There needs to be consequences for shitty, procedure-ignoring police work. Period. Minimum 1 year of jail time for grossly wrongful arrests that could be avoided with standard procedure or investigation tactics that were not applied.

I agree with this sentiment but when you start punishing this sort of thing you create more incentive to cover it up. It's a tricky problem and I'm not sure there's a perfect solution. What we really need is a change in police culture.

Then the system should be redesigned such that transparency is a priority and cover ups are not feasible. And when cover ups eventually get found out, the punishments even more severe.

Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND

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Post by pylua »

rcvassallo83 wrote: post #94
firefoxd wrote: post #30

Without even looking at the AI part, I have a single question: Did anybody investigate? That's it. Whether it's AI that flagged her, or a witness who saw her, or her IP address appeared on the logs. Did anybody bothered to ask her "where were you the morning of july 10th between 3 and 4pm. But that's not what happened, they saw the data and said "we got her". But this is the worst part of the story: > And after her o…

The thing about the legal system is there's no incentive to investigate to find the truth. The incentive is to prosecte and prove the charges. Speaking from the experience of being falsely accused after calling 911 to stop a drunk woman from driving. The narrative they "investigated" was so obviously false, bodycam evidence directly contradicted multiple key facts. Officials are interested only seeking to prove the c…

There is an incentive . It’s called fraud by negligence. I’m hoping she sues everyone here.

That’s seems to be in the realm of poissibility here if I am understanding things correctly (imo)

Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND

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Post by mike741 »

cortesoft wrote: post #137
shevy-java wrote: post #133

So cops used AI to attempt to investigate a crime. But, there was no crime - the arrest was wrong. Why can cops excuse themselves here for delegating their responsibilities (protecting society, allegedly that is) onto software? AI may also be written by some corporations to "tweak" this or that, see this foreign-looking guy being more likely to be AI-investigated. This is like the movie Minority Report - but stupid.…

What? There was absolutely a crime?

You're absolutely right! There was a crime. I appreciate the course correction—it’s a significant oversight on my part. I've updated our previous plan to better reflect that a crime occurred. You're under arrest.

Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND

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Post by bko »

rcvassallo83 wrote: post #94
firefoxd wrote: post #30

Without even looking at the AI part, I have a single question: Did anybody investigate? That's it. Whether it's AI that flagged her, or a witness who saw her, or her IP address appeared on the logs. Did anybody bothered to ask her "where were you the morning of july 10th between 3 and 4pm. But that's not what happened, they saw the data and said "we got her". But this is the worst part of the story: > And after her o…

The thing about the legal system is there's no incentive to investigate to find the truth. The incentive is to prosecte and prove the charges. Speaking from the experience of being falsely accused after calling 911 to stop a drunk woman from driving. The narrative they "investigated" was so obviously false, bodycam evidence directly contradicted multiple key facts. Officials are interested only seeking to prove the c…

> The narrative they "investigated" was so obviously false, bodycam evidence directly contradicted multiple key facts. Officials are interested only seeking to prove the case. Thankfully the jury came to the right verdict.

I don't get it, if they only care about prosecuting and proving the case, wouldn't they go by the bodycam evidence? They didn't prove the case. Maybe if their incentive was to prosecute and prove the charges, they'd go by the obvious evidence. Or am I missing something here?

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Post by elektronika »

wl wrote: post #113
contrast wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what's with the weird obsession all over the thread that it is the JUDGE who is the only person at fault here?

Especially considering the judge is the only person involved in this who is completely immune from being sued.

Under qualified immunity cops are all but completely immune to being sued.

Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND

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Post by phonon »

FireBeyond wrote: post #141
rcvassallo83 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing about the legal system is there's no incentive to investigate to find the truth. The incentive is to prosecte and prove the charges. Speaking from the experience of being falsely accused after calling 911 to stop a drunk woman from driving. The narrative they "investigated" was so obviously false, bodycam evidence directly contradicted multiple key facts. Officials are interested only seeking to prove the c…

There’s a judge down in Texas, Dallas area I believe, who is in social media a lot because he will excoriate prosecutors who bring bs in to his court room. He’s not soft on crime but hard on rights and process. If a defendant did the wrong thing, he will have the appropriate amount of sympathy, down to zero. At times he will tell them, we all know you got lucky here, do better. But he won’t let prosecutors slate by o…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Fleischer_(judge)

Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #151
FireBeyond wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And then you have Florida who will bill you about $100 a day for finding yourself in a Florida jail, regardless of whether charges were dismissed, you were found not guilty or any such thing. And to nobody’s surprise, failure to pay this bill is in itself a Class B felony…

That sounds like a recipe for domestic terrorism - the systemic disenfranchisement of people who have done nothing wrong for no apparent reason other than sheer greed. How long has this been in effect there?

The system doesn't push the issue on people who can't afford it. Blood from a stone and all that.
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