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Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices

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Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices

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Post by matheusmoreira »

malicka wrote: post #66
Zak wrote: post #7

It's a very small concession. The high initial friction still means when someone comes to me with a problem and I tell them the solution is in F-Droid, they have to wait a day. Most give up and pick a different, less trustworthy solution from Google Play.

Incredibly small concession that doesn’t warrant this article’s absolutely insane framing: “Even less of a problem than we thought,” “very, very good news,” “already sounded perfectly manageable.” The author is so giddy to defend this monopolistic restriction on Google’s part. Hackers can use F-Droid without annoyance, but this really does kill any chance at normies using it. They absolutely will use the worst spywar…

I've given up on getting normies to care. So long as we can use these things on our own terms, it's fine.

Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices

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Post by rolandog »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #151
malicka wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Incredibly small concession that doesn’t warrant this article’s absolutely insane framing: “Even less of a problem than we thought,” “very, very good news,” “already sounded perfectly manageable.” The author is so giddy to defend this monopolistic restriction on Google’s part. Hackers can use F-Droid without annoyance, but this really does kill any chance at normies using it. They absolutely will use the worst spywar…

I've given up on getting normies to care. So long as we can use these things on our own terms, it's fine.

"On our own terms", as long as it's approved by Google,.. for now. Surely we bear no resemblance to frogs in warming water, and we do not find ourselves praying that the deal is not further altered.

Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

lpcvoid wrote: post #144
Ms-J wrote: post #122

Play store is the largest distributor of spyware and viruses for Android. Not even a small fraction of a percentage of scams come from installing software normally, but only from Google Play store.

Yeah. I had to remove malware from family phones because they installed the wrong "QR Code Scanner" out of the trillions of copies on the play store, which contained malware that somehow replaced the launcher on a Samsung phone and then showed ads all over the place. The Play store is fucking malware, Google services are malware, and the family member now uses a Pixel 9a with GrapheneOS which makes normie phone usage…

I really like f-droid in this case because I can be so much more sure about using an app there than from play-store

> Play store is the largest distributor of spyware and viruses for Android.

I think all companies are taking part in somewhat of a double-speak. Meta is lobbying for child safety and so many other things.

I feel like they really can't come up loud and say what exact reasons they are doing this (for locking down Android) and thus have to use this as an excuse.

It's all smokescreens and mirror to a certain degree.

Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices

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Post by LorenDB »

lpcvoid wrote: post #144
Ms-J wrote: post #122

Play store is the largest distributor of spyware and viruses for Android. Not even a small fraction of a percentage of scams come from installing software normally, but only from Google Play store.

Yeah. I had to remove malware from family phones because they installed the wrong "QR Code Scanner" out of the trillions of copies on the play store, which contained malware that somehow replaced the launcher on a Samsung phone and then showed ads all over the place. The Play store is fucking malware, Google services are malware, and the family member now uses a Pixel 9a with GrapheneOS which makes normie phone usage…

Oh man, my grandpa also had an app replace the launcher on his phone! I forget what exactly it was pushing but needless to say it's been removed.

Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices

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Post by miki123211 »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #153
lpcvoid wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. I had to remove malware from family phones because they installed the wrong "QR Code Scanner" out of the trillions of copies on the play store, which contained malware that somehow replaced the launcher on a Samsung phone and then showed ads all over the place. The Play store is fucking malware, Google services are malware, and the family member now uses a Pixel 9a with GrapheneOS which makes normie phone usage…

I really like f-droid in this case because I can be so much more sure about using an app there than from play-store > Play store is the largest distributor of spyware and viruses for Android. I think all companies are taking part in somewhat of a double-speak. Meta is lobbying for child safety and so many other things. I feel like they really can't come up loud and say what exact reasons they are doing this (for lock…

They are (primarily) doing it because a few governments asked / forced them to. THe scams you see in the iPhone-heavy US are very different than the scams you see in other places.

Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices

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Post by miki123211 »

RedComet wrote: post #29
hparadiz wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't you know? If one elderly person gets scammed we all deserve to be infantilized.

Wouldn't it be something if, given all the surveillance already in place, law enforcement punished the scammers instead of the innocent?

The scammers are often in a very different country than the victim. Finding the scammer is only 50% of the work, the other 50% is diplomacy and hoping the other side is willing to extradite. This is not made easier if the police force in the scammer's country is extremely corrupt.

This is why those scams so often rely on gift cards (or sometimes on cash which a local mule converts to crypto).

Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices

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Post by [deleted] »

branon wrote: post #54

How will the transfer occur? I'm assuming via Google account? So this is vendor lock-in to an online account being sold as a way to "win" against a problem _created_ by said vendor? I would prefer a per-device wait time and I sincerely hope a Google account will not be a hard requirement. I didn't consider this initially. Google is in the process of stealing the shirts from our backs and selling them back to us. Whoe…

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Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices

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Post by charcircuit »

rudhdb773b wrote: post #132
PufPufPuf wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you want to root? I didn't really feel the need for the past few years.

Backing up all app data.

That breaks Android's security model and reduces overall security.

Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices

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Post by izacus »

sunaookami wrote: post #116
Taterr wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand usually the megacorporation is simply being anti-consumer with these kinds of changes, and who knows maybe this is the same. But I think this might be an actual exception. They seem to be actually implementing a lot of high effort scam protection features recently in android so unless they did all of that just as an excuse to make side loading harder then they've fooled me. https://security.googleblog.co…

Do you also believe mass surveillance is necessary to protect children?

That's some nasty debate tactic, unworthy of this website. Don't do that.
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