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Re: Slovenia becomes first EU country to introduce fuel rationing

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Post by throwawaytea »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #147
throwawaytea wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In California my electricity to drive my Chevy Volt is more expensive than gasoline, if gasoline is less than $5 a gallon. So for basically the last 100k miles I've owned it, electricity was more expensive. The same goes for many plugin hybrids. Luxury EVs still win out because luxury sedans usually only get 25 mpg mixed max.

I knew the CA grid was in a bad place but wow. What are you paying per kWh?

$0.44 A first gen Volt takes 10.3kwh. It also uses electricity to cool the batteries while charging. If you leave it plugged in one a hot day it will cool the battery just for health overall but I'll ignore that. Then, add in the losses on the charge conversions.

It easily takes 11kwh to charge a Volt. It'll go about 35 miles in the summer on that charge, and more like 28 in the winter.

It also gets 35 mpg on gasoline, while providing free heat in the winter from the gas engine heat, and for most of the last few years was doing this for $3.50-$4 a gallon.

There are people on Southern California/San Diego that pay more. Over there people say the Prius Prime is WAY cheaper to operate on gas because it gets 50mpg gasoline.

I've even heard people running their home off gasoline because it's cheaper but that would require an impressive gas generator to do long term.

Re: Slovenia becomes first EU country to introduce fuel rationing

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Post by UncleOxidant »

IsTom wrote: post #136
UncleOxidant wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are more developed, sure, and the US (from a US centric view) is producing a lot of oil now. However, consider that pretty much all of the goods you see in the supermarket got there via diesel (trains, semi-trucks). The percentage of semi-trucks operating on electricity is still miniscule at this point. Air transport? All petroleum. Consider also other things like fertilizers - we're heavily dependent on nitroge…

Oil going through Hormuz is 20%, not 80% of global supply. It's true that demand is pretty inelastic, but it's not like it can't be cut at all.

Who mentioned 80%?

During the 1973–74 Arab oil embargo, the disruption removed approximately 4.5 million barrels per day (mb/d) from the market, which constituted about 7% of the global oil supply at the time. This disruption significantly impacted global supplies.

20% is a lot more than 7%. This could be worse than 1973-74. As a 10year-old in 1973 I remember spending a lot of time in the backseat of the station wagon as we were waiting line line for gas.

For context, during the first COVID spring (March-June 2020) oil demand fell by 20%. Because nobody was driving or flying anywhere. That's what it took to cut 20%.

Re: Slovenia becomes first EU country to introduce fuel rationing

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Post by Symbiote »

margalabargala wrote: post #110
School-Cotton wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and if (1) gas in Canada were cheaper than in the US, and (2) the border between the countries was completely open, then you’d indeed see people going to Canada to buy gas.

I'm sure there's plenty of border crossings for cheaper goods. I'm skeptical this happens in such numbers as to strain national infrastructure. Tellingly, the ration put in place applies to Slovenian citizens, not just foreigners. Which should tell you something about "who is being blamed" vs "what solves the problem".

It would probably be illegal under EU law to discriminate between residents and non residents of Slovenia

Re: Slovenia becomes first EU country to introduce fuel rationing

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Post by holoduke »

SirensOfTitan wrote: post #36

Scanning some of the early comments here, and acting as-if the oil and LNG disruptions is just a question of renewable investment is naive. This is the worst energy crisis in modern history, and little of the western world has really started feeling the effects yet: https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/dispatch-energy/iran-war-... Petro is pretty much upstream of everything: plastics, fertilizers, pharmaceuticals, cook…

The world is way too stable for a real crisis. The west is much more resilient than a lot of people think. Nothing will really change. Life will go on.

Re: Slovenia becomes first EU country to introduce fuel rationing

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Post by kolinko »

margalabargala wrote: post #110
School-Cotton wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and if (1) gas in Canada were cheaper than in the US, and (2) the border between the countries was completely open, then you’d indeed see people going to Canada to buy gas.

I'm sure there's plenty of border crossings for cheaper goods. I'm skeptical this happens in such numbers as to strain national infrastructure. Tellingly, the ration put in place applies to Slovenian citizens, not just foreigners. Which should tell you something about "who is being blamed" vs "what solves the problem".

Did you travel in Europe? Even without crisis, gas stations are often way busier on the cheaper country's border than more expensive.

My friends living in Switzerland (near the border) always go to Germany to fuel up. And, even without a crisis, gas stations on the cheaper sides of borders are often way more crowded than on the other side.

Also, keep in mind that Slovenia is roughly the size of Los Angeles. Or not much wider than Long Island. If there fuel was 30% cheaper on one side of Long Island, than on the other, I'm sure plenty of people wouldn't think twice about that.

Re: Slovenia becomes first EU country to introduce fuel rationing

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Post by 01100011 »

WastedCucumber wrote: post #116
01100011 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the plus side, Trump is helping Europe and Asia meet their climate goals. I hear diesel is running out in NSW and Queensland Australia. Good thing you don't need diesel to run mining operations. Oh wait..

I was just talking to a kiwi yesterday about diesel. The price has more than doubled already there. So there goes large chunk of the US beef supply.

According to Unusual Whales on Twitter, Australia just ordered an emergency fuel shipment from the US: https://x.com/unusual_whales/status/2037650368390144243

Re: Slovenia becomes first EU country to introduce fuel rationing

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Post by kolinko »

jmclnx wrote: post #62

I do not understand this rationing scheme. Say I live in Austria and it is a short ride to a Slovenia Station. Can buy as much gas as I want, but citizens in Slovenia are limited ? That does not seem right.

No, the rules have to be the same for all EU citizens.

Re: Slovenia becomes first EU country to introduce fuel rationing

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Post by singleshot_ »

SirensOfTitan wrote: post #36

Scanning some of the early comments here, and acting as-if the oil and LNG disruptions is just a question of renewable investment is naive. This is the worst energy crisis in modern history, and little of the western world has really started feeling the effects yet: https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/dispatch-energy/iran-war-... Petro is pretty much upstream of everything: plastics, fertilizers, pharmaceuticals, cook…

> Petro is pretty much upstream of everything: plastics, fertilizers, pharmaceuticals, cooking oils,

Really! What petroleum-based oil do you cook with?

Re: Slovenia becomes first EU country to introduce fuel rationing

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

singleshot_ wrote: post #158
SirensOfTitan wrote: post #36

Scanning some of the early comments here, and acting as-if the oil and LNG disruptions is just a question of renewable investment is naive. This is the worst energy crisis in modern history, and little of the western world has really started feeling the effects yet: https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/dispatch-energy/iran-war-... Petro is pretty much upstream of everything: plastics, fertilizers, pharmaceuticals, cook…

> Petro is pretty much upstream of everything: plastics, fertilizers, pharmaceuticals, cooking oils, Really! What petroleum-based oil do you cook with?

Plant-based ones that were harvested by machines that burn petroleum.

Re: Slovenia becomes first EU country to introduce fuel rationing

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Post by tialaramex »

kypro wrote: post #11
mlinhares wrote: post #2

Hope that gets Europe to invest in renewables and leave oil behind.

Hasn't Germany and the UK been investing in renewables for years now? They must be feeling pretty happy about that decision right now unlike oil obsessed countries like the US.

A quarter of a century ago, the first quarter of 2001, Britain used 39 TWh of coal electrical generation, 36 TWh of gas and 21 TWh of nuclear.

Today we're lot more energy efficient†, and the renewables made more than 25 TWh, but nuclear is now less than 10 TWh, we of course no longer burn coal, which leaves 30 TWh of gas still and we have a lot more imports (because we have a lot more interconnect, which is also a form of energy security)

† For example back then we mostly used incandescent light bulbs! And a lot of people still used CRT televisions back then!

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