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Re: Is it a pint?

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Post by BashiBazouk »

hug wrote: post #147
BashiBazouk wrote: post #28

Reminds me of backpacking up and down the east coast of Australia. I learned that Fosters is only northern New South Wales for beer. Every place had their own preferred beer, but maddeningly they all had their own glass. A tenner, a schooner. Each a slightly different size. I made friends with a guy in Hobart that was staying in the hostel as he was doing research there, I think he was a biologist. He took me to his…

As someone heavily involved in the hospitality (read: beer) area, this doesn't really line up with reality in Australia: there's only one state (South Australia) that doesn't agree on the major standard sizes: Pints are 470ml, schooners are 425ml, a half pint is 285ml, and a pony is 140ml. There's colloquialisms for a half: pot, or middy, mostly. Hobart will call a half pint a ten, because it's 10oz, but they also kn…

Maybe not today, but in the summer of 1990 every pub I went to seemed to have a different glass and I was somehow expected to know what they were called...

Re: Is it a pint?

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Post by OJFord »

cjs_ac wrote: post #95
bee_rider wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point they are just American units, right? Since the UK has upgraded already.

The origin of US Customary units is British, even if the US, Liberia and Myanmar are the last countries still using it. The UK has almost entirely adopted metric (yards and miles are still used for measuring distances on roads and pints are still used for milk and beer, and the last government made the eccentric decision to permit pints for wine, which no producer used because they couldn't get the bottles), but thes…

> EDIT/CORRECTION: Milk is sold in multiples of 568 mL, so while the quantities are pints, the measurement is metric.

What distinction do you intend to make by that? 1 pint is 568ml.

If you mean in labelling or something, no, they're marked 1/2/4 pints. Usually also with litre markings. You can also get metric sized bottles, i.e. on the supermarket shelf you'll often see one brand's 2 pint bottles next to another's slightly smaller 1l bottles.

The supermarket price labelling will be in £/litre, regardless of whether the bottle's pints or not, if that's what you mean?

Re: Is it a pint?

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Post by OJFord »

mrwh wrote: post #125
rafram wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. The UK uses imperial units for most of the things you use units for in daily life (roads, cooking, drink sizes, body weight, utilities, land area...), even though they theoretically converted to metric. Canada is similar.

_Human_ body weight. I grew up measuring everything in kilos apart from people, which has I guess what amounts to its own wholly idiosyncratic scale, the stone, that no one I've since met outside of the UK has heard of.

I don't know why really, it's just 14lb, why does the US/Canada just stick with very large numbers of pounds instead of breaking it up as with others?

Kilograms seem more and more common for human weight too though, largely driven by fitness apps & communities I think. I doubt children in school today are accustomed to stone; only pounds and ounces for birth weight perhaps, but even that is metric medically and converted for the parents' familiarity these days I believe.

Re: Is it a pint?

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Post by OJFord »

g_lined wrote: post #139
BoxOfRain wrote: post #74

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In true British fashion the requirements for draught beer and cider are in pints, while wine is sold in millilitres.

Of course. You're not going to buy a pint of wine.

A third of a pint is 189.3ml, a large glass of wine 175ml. Two thirds of that (2/9 of a pint) is almost bang on a small glass of wine, 126.2ml vs. 125ml. Could work if they wanted

Re: Is it a pint?

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Post by stuartaxelowen »

eternauta3k wrote: post #108

One thought I keep coming back to is the immense consequences of how our units of length, weight and volume were defined. Products are often sold with round numbers (1 liter, 0.5 liter, 1 kg, etc). If you could go back in time and fiddle with e.g. the definition of a pint, you'd see that reducing its volume would lead to people drinking less, until it's so small that people just order two pints.

In Taiwan the standard way to drink beer is to get it in large bottles, but shared with a small glass per person. Easy to not drink much that way, and promotes the social “let me fill your glass” behavior. (making it harder to not drink much)

Re: Is it a pint?

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Post by hug »

BashiBazouk wrote: post #151
hug wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone heavily involved in the hospitality (read: beer) area, this doesn't really line up with reality in Australia: there's only one state (South Australia) that doesn't agree on the major standard sizes: Pints are 470ml, schooners are 425ml, a half pint is 285ml, and a pony is 140ml. There's colloquialisms for a half: pot, or middy, mostly. Hobart will call a half pint a ten, because it's 10oz, but they also kn…

Maybe not today, but in the summer of 1990 every pub I went to seemed to have a different glass and I was somehow expected to know what they were called...

I was decidedly not old enough to drink in 1990 and culture in general in Australia was much less homogeneous back then, so you're probably right for the times.

Re: Is it a pint?

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Post by November_Echo »

hug wrote: post #147
BashiBazouk wrote: post #28

Reminds me of backpacking up and down the east coast of Australia. I learned that Fosters is only northern New South Wales for beer. Every place had their own preferred beer, but maddeningly they all had their own glass. A tenner, a schooner. Each a slightly different size. I made friends with a guy in Hobart that was staying in the hostel as he was doing research there, I think he was a biologist. He took me to his…

As someone heavily involved in the hospitality (read: beer) area, this doesn't really line up with reality in Australia: there's only one state (South Australia) that doesn't agree on the major standard sizes: Pints are 470ml, schooners are 425ml, a half pint is 285ml, and a pony is 140ml. There's colloquialisms for a half: pot, or middy, mostly. Hobart will call a half pint a ten, because it's 10oz, but they also kn…

> there's only one state (South Australia) that doesn't agree on the major standard sizes: Pints are 470ml, schooners are 425ml, a half pint is 285ml, and a pony is 140ml.

> Source: I have pretty extensive drinking experience in pretty much all of the Australian capital cities, except Perth.

I don't drink as much as I used to so this might be a little outdated, but in Perth "Pints" are 570ml. It was rare, but becoming less so, for some places to serve you a 470ml schooner when you ordered a pint. We avoided those places.

Re: Is it a pint?

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Post by hug »

November_Echo wrote: post #158
hug wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone heavily involved in the hospitality (read: beer) area, this doesn't really line up with reality in Australia: there's only one state (South Australia) that doesn't agree on the major standard sizes: Pints are 470ml, schooners are 425ml, a half pint is 285ml, and a pony is 140ml. There's colloquialisms for a half: pot, or middy, mostly. Hobart will call a half pint a ten, because it's 10oz, but they also kn…

> there's only one state (South Australia) that doesn't agree on the major standard sizes: Pints are 470ml, schooners are 425ml, a half pint is 285ml, and a pony is 140ml. > Source: I have pretty extensive drinking experience in pretty much all of the Australian capital cities, except Perth. I don't drink as much as I used to so this might be a little outdated, but in Perth "Pints" are 570ml. It was rare, but becomin…

...Embarrassingly, I have typo'd in my original post, and it's too late to edit. Pints are 570ml (not 470ml) everywhere on the East coast - hence why a half pint in Tassie is often called a ten - because it's 10oz, or half a 20oz/568ml pint.

Re: Is it a pint?

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Post by lmm »

rafram wrote: post #104
bee_rider wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point they are just American units, right? Since the UK has upgraded already.

Not really. The UK uses imperial units for most of the things you use units for in daily life (roads, cooking, drink sizes, body weight, utilities, land area...), even though they theoretically converted to metric. Canada is similar.

> The UK uses imperial units for most of the things you use units for in daily life (roads, cooking, drink sizes, body weight, utilities, land area...)

Not really. Old people might cook with funny old temperatures/measures and weigh themselves in stones, but it's fading out, contemporary cookbooks and gym culture are all metric. I've literally never seen a utility bill in anything other than metric (even if it's slightly weird metric like kWh or cubic metres of gas).

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