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Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by skeeter2020 »

hakrgrl wrote: post #141
pell wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way you describe the alternative option seems not very good faith.

Obama actually did this in 2016. https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/03/politics/us-sends-plane-iran-... > Washington CNN — The Obama administration secretly arranged a plane delivery of $400 million in cash on the same day Iran released four American prisoners and formally implemented the nuclear deal, US officials confirmed Wednesday.

While the optics of this may look bad, the same thing happens after armed conflict too; the US has spent boatloads of money in Afghanistan on top of all the military costs, and we're basically in the same situation as before.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by fc417fc802 »

anonymars wrote: post #55
specproc wrote: post #47

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WHO is currently doing readiness for a nuclear attack in the region. This is America, the country willing to do the unconscionable when they're not winning fast enough. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...

Other than that, of course, WWII was perfectly civilized

I mean in relative terms ...

It never ceases to amaze me that demonstrating such a weapon on civilian targets somehow made it past the entire chain of command. One of those things that I just can't wrap my head around no matter how many times I come back to it.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by watwut »

lukan wrote: post #69
flyinglizard wrote: post #62

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That's it? Momentary gasoline price is all that matters now? Not geopolitical interests, alliances, _Doing The Right Thing_? If that's the only angle you care about, then US subduing the Iranian regime would go a long way to de-facto dissolving OPEC and bring much more flexibility to oil prices.

Oh, now worries, I can take my bicycle or train whenever possible (like right now). And since I am european, I do not just worry about gasoline, but also that the US actually might attack us at some point, Trump did threaten again over greenland and the last time - it was not just words, danish troops took it serious and were ready to shoot. " https://www.euractiv.com/news/denmark-considered-destroying-... " Unpleasa…

Europe will be affected more then USA by oil prices.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by nutjob2 »

hakrgrl wrote: post #141
pell wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way you describe the alternative option seems not very good faith.

Obama actually did this in 2016. https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/03/politics/us-sends-plane-iran-... > Washington CNN — The Obama administration secretly arranged a plane delivery of $400 million in cash on the same day Iran released four American prisoners and formally implemented the nuclear deal, US officials confirmed Wednesday.

And the bad faith keeps on rolling. We get it, you're a MAGA true believer, it's not like you're being subtle. But besides trying to troll the good people at HN, what is your point?

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by zimpenfish »

hakrgrl wrote: post #141
pell wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way you describe the alternative option seems not very good faith.

Obama actually did this in 2016. https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/03/politics/us-sends-plane-iran-... > Washington CNN — The Obama administration secretly arranged a plane delivery of $400 million in cash on the same day Iran released four American prisoners and formally implemented the nuclear deal, US officials confirmed Wednesday.

Secretly-ish - it was announced publicly 7 months prior (Jan 2016) and it was the first instalment of a legal settlement, not just some random or ransom payment.

Obviously Republicans decried it with bad faith bullshit because reality and sanity don't matter to them.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by jacquesm »

9dev wrote: post #37
ghywertelling wrote: post #24

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This is symptom of the misunderstanding among people that somehow more people being knowledgeable about politics will bring about a change. "Pen is mightier than sword" was probably written by a person who only wielded pen. It's a collective psyops inflicted by people on themselves, belonging to an era where it made sense. In today's world, it doesn't matter. Bring missles to a sword / knife fight. Only true power is…

This sort of ridiculous reductionism has never been true. Do you seriously think all the conflicts we experience have never been there before? "Only true power is respected"—what’s this even supposed to mean? Right now, the American military is shooting with all its mighty glory on Iran, yet loosing the war, money, and yes, respect from the rest of the world. Well, except for Putin maybe, who is unilaterally benefiti…

Mearsheimer and Rand... between those two a lot of damage is being done to the psyche of impressionable people. They're all just looking for excuses to act out their inner toddler believing themselves to be in the possession of profound insights. Lesswrong probably also deserves a mention.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by trimethylpurine »

galactus wrote: post #117
flyinglizard wrote: post #91

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Do you think some evil military planners sat in the Pentagon, saw that school, said "let's shoot at it for shits and giggles" and pressed the button? Or are you trying to pollute a grown up conversation with sensationalism and punchy hooks? In reality someone made a mistake. It can happen. It should be investigated. It should not deter from achieving the military objectives.

I think that if you start an unjustified war of agression against a country and you kill 150 children, you should be held responsible

What if it happens as a result of trying to hold someone worse responsible?

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by lukan »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #144
lukan wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, now worries, I can take my bicycle or train whenever possible (like right now). And since I am european, I do not just worry about gasoline, but also that the US actually might attack us at some point, Trump did threaten again over greenland and the last time - it was not just words, danish troops took it serious and were ready to shoot. " https://www.euractiv.com/news/denmark-considered-destroying-... " Unpleasa…

Europe can't yet heat all the homes in winter with renewables and the heat cast from a smug sense of self-satisfaction, so I wouldn't celebrate yet.

Statements with "the only bright side" usually do not indicate celebrating.
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