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Passengers who refuse to use headphones can now be kicked off United flights

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Re: Passengers who refuse to use headphones can now be kicked off United flights

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Post by koolba »

schrodinger wrote: post #137
callamdelaney wrote: post #113

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How is walking over a road without a light inconveniencing anyone? I’ll cross the road when it’s clear. I don’t blast music in public places though.

Depending on where you live it may not really be relatable to you, but living in NYC -- there are people that will intentionally jay walk on a green light and even _stare you down_ knowing that you will stop and let them pass. People jay walk when there's no traffic all the time, that's totally fine. This is a totally different act of passive aggression.

> Depending on where you live it may not really be relatable to you, but living in NYC -- there are people that will intentionally jay walk on a green light and even _stare you down_ knowing that you will stop and let them pass.

This is the speed walking equivalent of picking up pennies in front of a steam roller. Saves a min here and then until you pay for it big time.

Re: Passengers who refuse to use headphones can now be kicked off United flights

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Post by recursive »

SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #129
DaSHacka wrote: post #127

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You'd have a more convincing argument if you argued for a passenger with Tourette's or something. Bodily functions are obviously different from watching a movie at full volume, because there's never a situation where you would be involuntarily blasting the audio of your show or whatever to the whole plane.

Okay, Tourette’s then. Should we kick people off for Tourette’s? Your comment also presupposes two things: that flatulence is always involuntary and blasting music isn’t. Let’s say I have a form of Tourette’s that forces me to involuntarily blast noise and music and I have medical papers to prove it. Is it okay then? I would absolutely support it if you could demonstrate that those two things are actually true. My po…

We're talking about music coming from a phone. Not a person. Just turn the phone off or uninstall tiktok. Or put it in your bag.

Re: Passengers who refuse to use headphones can now be kicked off United flights

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Post by which »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #116
which wrote: post #108

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That same line of reasoning could apply to music on planes. No one really needs to use a particular airline at a particular time or use a public park at any given time. It ceases to be a public place if a small group of people can de facto monopolize it by making it unpleasant for most other people to be there. James Q. Wilson talked about this problem a long time ago... and why standard neighborhood shaming cannot r…

> same line of reasoning could apply to music on planes You can’t leave a plane. And planes aren’t for recreation. I like quiet parks. But parks aren’t some natural creation, they’re entirely manmade. I’m okay with other people having different thoughts on how to recreate. > Maybe there is an increasingly different set of norms among different generations Older people have been complaining about kids with boomboxes a…

The average park in America is only like 5-10 acres. And of that only certain areas may have playstructures / basketball courts / benches / other things that people can actually use. So sufficiently loud audio can ruin people's experience. It's obvious to anyone who's been outside in the past 10 years that "live and let live" doesn't work... if they were using heroin and nodding out would that just be another form of recreation?

Yes, and the crime spike of the 1960s started with boomers reaching 15-20. You can follow that to cookie monster pajamas in Walmart.

Re: Passengers who refuse to use headphones can now be kicked off United flights

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #117
callamdelaney wrote: post #113

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How is walking over a road without a light inconveniencing anyone? I’ll cross the road when it’s clear. I don’t blast music in public places though.

> How is walking over a road without a light inconveniencing anyone? They said “walk out into traffic.” That’s rude. You should wait for a signal or a break in the flow so nobody has to brake for you.

I never see this being an issue. On the other hand I often see cars blast by stop signs without stopping or ignore marked crosswalks with passengers inside.

No wonder pedestrian deaths are up so much the past few years

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Post by smohare »

gregatragenet3 wrote: post #144
lesuorac wrote: post #122

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Getting pedantic now but depending on the circumstances the traffic is supposed to have stopped for you. Assuming there is no paint on the road an (unmarked) crosswalk may still exist [1] and drivers are supposed to yield to a pedestrian in a marked or unmarked crosswalk [2]. [1]: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio... . [2]: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio...

Getting more pedantic, less than 1pct of the population is in California. Pretty clear parent meant people who cross against the light / mid-block when there is a crossing 50ft away / stepping in front of the one car on the road when they could look up for one second and step out behind that car etc. in other words the people who put off 'main character' vibes.

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Re: Passengers who refuse to use headphones can now be kicked off United flights

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

sowbug wrote: post #97
andy99 wrote: post #71

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Pretty sure on planes this is more ignorance than malice. It’s self absorbed people that are too selfish to consider someone else might not want to hear what they’re watching, rather than some deliberate anti society thing. Regardless, no punishment is too harsh, this should be considered the equivalent of lighting up a cigarette on a plane.

Another angle is kids who have been given a tablet as a pacifier. Their parents are often on autopilot, having checked out months or years earlier. On topic (and discussed already on HN): https://github.com/Pankajtanwarbanna/stfu

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Re: Passengers who refuse to use headphones can now be kicked off United flights

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Post by mothballed »

Sharlin wrote: post #150
e40 wrote: post #72

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The idea someone doesn’t know they bothering everyone around them is absurd. It is 100% malice.

Hanlon's razor applies. Yes, some people have a bad case of the main character syndrome simply because nobody has ever called them out on it.

Usually they have been called out on it a time or two. They are often signaling that if you want to stop them, you'll have to use violence, and look -- no one or almost no one is willing to do that.

There are a couple of us who have actually seen someone call them out that are warning folks here what commonly happens. I saw someone get attacked with a knife, another commenter here had a gun pulled on him when they asked them to stop. It isn't about the loud music itself, it's that they're openly saying they are king shit, that no one is willing to challenge them, and broadcasting their eagerness to deliver violence upon anyone that might.

The other side of this is that they often do it on places you can't easily escape, like a train car with stops only every 5 minutes. This gives them a very long time to go to town on anyone that might challenges them. Something I've seen with my own eyes when they were asked to tone down the music.

Re: Passengers who refuse to use headphones can now be kicked off United flights

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Post by gspr »

pjmlp wrote: post #50
gspr wrote: post #40

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I've definitely experienced this on public transit in cities in several different countries here in Europe. It's not an everyday experience, but it definitely happens.

Yes, but that isn't a flight.

But you said people on busses and trains doing this get shut down. My experience is they don't.

Re: Passengers who refuse to use headphones can now be kicked off United flights

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Post by jghn »

pjmlp wrote: post #31

Is this really a thing?!? Blasting the others with unwanted noise. I never been in a flight, or train across Europe where passengers showed just lack of respect for the others. The only ones pumping anything loud, on trains or busses, usually get quickly pointed down by other passengers, personal or security. Ah, and then there are the rebellious kids or gangs, as the other exception, which usually don't take flights…

I can't remember the last time I've been on a flight, train, or bus where there wasn't at least one person playing audio of some sort without headphones.
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