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How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by twodave »

thephyber wrote: post #144
therealdrag0 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rule of thumb for modern EVs is to not care about the battery at all. They are expected to last longer than the car. I would doubt even faster charging significantly changes this, or if it does it’s worth the trade off to those who need it.

“Rule of thumb” is a heuristic, which is necessarily inaccurate. My only EV was a 1Gen Nissan Leaf, which is a perfect example of the EV that violates your assumptions.

I don’t think the first gen leaf is what parent had in mind when referring to “modern EVs”…

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by phil21 »

ufmace wrote: post #112
hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #68

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Biden’s banning them was not a good decision IMO. At the same time, he was encouraging domestics manufacturers to start building their own EVs out, which opened up the possibility of unbanning, with reasonable import duties, once the American companies were competitive. However, right now we are pushing American companies to go in the opposite direction and dismantle their EV efforts.

Do you know how we are "pushing American companies to go in the opposite direction"? Genuine question. The only thing I know of is repealing the tax credits. Personally, I think EVs are neat, but I also think the industry has grown enough already that they should be able to compete with ICE vehicles on as close to a level playing field as can be arranged. Let them beat the ICE industry by making vehicles that are act…

Yep. No need to subsidize what end up being luxury priced vehicles. The technology is there and if the already spent billions of dollars on subsidies haven’t incentivized enough of a bootstrapping of the supply chain tossing more billions at it is just going to be diminishing returns.

I’d also be ok with diverting that spend towards building out proper charging infrastructure. But not subsidizing rich folks tossing a charger in their garage like it has been up to this point. I would like more towards chargers in public parking lots, rapid chargers deployed along interstates at current truck stops who will commit to actual binding deliverables, etc.

Basically anything but sending more tax money to the top 30% homeowners in the country like pretty much all EV and home solar/etc. tax programs have been designed towards.

I think I would model it sort of like how governments subsidize(d) the infrastructure for the automobile vs everything else by building out roads, local ordinances for parking mandates, etc. vs direct subsidies to end-users. Build the commons.

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by Kirby64 »

sgt wrote: post #139
flopsamjetsam wrote: post #124

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> 2026 BMW i3 - 900km WLTP from a 108kWh battery. I had to do a double take: remembering the i3s as the little almost SmartCar-sized EVs. Great cars, I still see a few around here, but I couldn't imagine them extending the range of those to 900km! Turns out they just released the i3 sedan, which is like a 3-series. And good to see they're making the design similar between the new 3-series and the new i3. I like the i…

Yes that new one is not an i3, not even in spirit. The original i3 was super light, quirky, fun, innovative in so many ways. They just didn't sell enough. People wanted more boring cars.

It was also $50k for a car that only got 120-150mi of range. It was a joke car. The reason it didn’t sell well is because it was a compliance car, not because it didn’t innovative. If it had a reasonable range (say, Chevy Bolt 200-250ish) in all electric for the same price, I bet it would have sold much much better.

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by [deleted] »

RevEng wrote: post #96

I wonder if Gil Tal has ever used an EV as their daily vehicle. I have had two EVs in the last three years - a Kona and an IONIQ 5. I have greatly enjoyed them both. But one thing was a downside that I just had to accept: poor charging. Granted, I live in the Canadian Prairies full of small towns a fair distance apart. And it's not exactly progressive - I'm actually being taxed for owning an EV. The charging infrastr…

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Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by thegreatpeter »

mbfg wrote: post #3

More importantly, the US has banned these cars in America to give protection to american manufacturers.

Definitely not bc these brands are being propped up by their government in order to flood world markets.

Everyone should be able to make a luxury 30k vehicle sustainably

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by b112 »

dotancohen wrote: post #138
b112 wrote: post #131

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Paying the fair share for road maintenance isn't a human rights issue.

Reducing carbon emissions most certainly is a human rights issue. I absolutely can not breathe when I go to large cities. I live in a village, drive an electric, and charge it from rooftop solar.

You actually can breath in "large cities", unless you have a pre-existing health condition. Otherwise, all the people in those "large cities" would already be dead, and they'd cease being "large cities". Or at least, populated ones.

"Carbon emissions" is a human rights issue, just as 1000 other things are. Whether "reducing" carbon emissions is determined to be a right is not black and white as of yet.

Regardless, leveling a road tax has nothing to do with that. It is merely a tax to be inline with what everyone else pays. You may as well say you have a right to a free electric car too, or maybe a right to get 50% off.

You do realise the roads have to be maintained, yes? And that's what the tax on gas is for, yes? I assure you, endless environmentalists which don't drive anything at all, and see the construction of roads as an annoyance, would be upset at the idea of cars, any type of car, electric or otherwise, as bad. And are very upset at any sort of car being subsidized to increase adoption.

But of course, because you own an electric car, it's now a human rights issue that you get to pay less. Right?

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by phil21 »

__oh_es wrote: post #116
ranit wrote: post #107

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Could you please elaborate on: > I'm actually being taxed for owning an EV.

Some countries charge a road tax or annual vehicle tax, and ev’s are often except as a green incentive

and some places charge a higher annual fee for EVs due to roads being largely funded by gas taxes.

Seems totally fair to me so long as the averages largely line up for both vehicle types.

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by OptionOfT »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #11
ck2 wrote: post #7

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What are the requirements of vehicles that drive across the border, like if a Canadian family is holidaying in Buffalo? If they're driving a BYD, do they get stopped at the border? What if they sold their BYD to a US family? Can it be registered and insured? I'd guess not, therefore it wouldn't get bought by a US resident in the first place.

I see BYDs a lot here in Phoenix with MX (Sonora) plates.

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

b112 wrote: post #156
dotancohen wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reducing carbon emissions most certainly is a human rights issue. I absolutely can not breathe when I go to large cities. I live in a village, drive an electric, and charge it from rooftop solar.

You actually can breath in "large cities", unless you have a pre-existing health condition. Otherwise, all the people in those "large cities" would already be dead, and they'd cease being "large cities". Or at least, populated ones. "Carbon emissions" is a human rights issue, just as 1000 other things are. Whether "reducing" carbon emissions is determined to be a right is not black and white as of yet. Regardless, le…

>You actually can breath in "large cities", unless you have a pre-existing health condition.

Did you know that some people have health conditions?

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by 486sx33 »

RevEng wrote: post #96

I wonder if Gil Tal has ever used an EV as their daily vehicle. I have had two EVs in the last three years - a Kona and an IONIQ 5. I have greatly enjoyed them both. But one thing was a downside that I just had to accept: poor charging. Granted, I live in the Canadian Prairies full of small towns a fair distance apart. And it's not exactly progressive - I'm actually being taxed for owning an EV. The charging infrastr…

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