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Re: BYD is seeing a flood of new EV buyers

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Post by nxm »

tlogan wrote: post #145
decimalenough wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China and increasingly India are building very affordable EVs. You can get this guy for $7700, or full-featured models from $10,000: https://driveauthority.com/cheapest-ev-car-in-china/ All you really need is a political snap of the fingers to remove tariffs, so they can start selling them in the US. Of course, there is absolutely no way this will happen with the current administration.

I 100% understand that nothing will be done on the federal level. But california is big enough to make things moving without any federal level law. For example, what about: - no sales taxes on new EV sales - free registration for 5 years - free bridge tolls for 5 years That might convince some of these companies to start making EVs again.

They’ll make up the lost revenue by additional taxes on the common people?

Re: BYD is seeing a flood of new EV buyers

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Post by nullocator »

smallerfish wrote: post #90
michaelteter wrote: post #58

If one removed the country names and just looked at where investment (focus, planning, and money) was, we would see two greatly different pictures. One country is disincentivizing or even blocking renewable energy production, rolling back climate protection measures, trying to revitalize the coal industry, slashing investment in scientific research of all kinds, demonizing higher education, and spending vast and rapi…

> in two decades While I agree with your overall point, I'm reminded of "the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent" here. The US is a huge economy with a massive military infrastructure. I don't think it's fading to fallen empire status that quickly.

Most people probably said the same thing about the Soviet Union in the 1980s

Re: BYD is seeing a flood of new EV buyers

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Post by Pxtl »

TremendousJudge wrote: post #81
rilindo wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is worse than that. Companies are killing their EV models and discontinuing [sedans]( https://www.autoblog.com/features/these-automakers-no-longer... ) in favor of trucks and SUVs.

They've been on this path for a while now. The reckoning has to come at some point right?

At this point I don't see a solution to the arms-race of autobesity besides regulation. Cars that represent a larger threat to other road users need to have that externality internalized onto the driver.

Because otherwise we just get things like the Hummer EV which is literally over 9000 lbs.

Re: BYD is seeing a flood of new EV buyers

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Post by outside2344 »

legitronics wrote: post #85
paxys wrote: post #31

Genius strategy by the USA to disincentivize EVs, disincentivize solar and wind, increase dependency on oil & gas, and...start a war that makes oil and gas more expensive for everyone. Markets are now forecasting oil prices will stay above $100 a barrel for multiple years . Best of luck to the economy.

Well the USA is a net exporter of all oil products since 2019, this will probably make some people very rich and has the potential to be good for parts of the us energy sector. The west coast is the only part that relies on middle eastern oil. And a spike in prices will just get them in line and connected to the rest of the shale powered system. I don’t like any of this, but I think the doom and gloom lies elsewhere.

We are a net exporter but all Americans still exist in the same market where oil is $100+ and very few benefit from that.

Re: BYD is seeing a flood of new EV buyers

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Post by nxm »

crooked-v wrote: post #127
linuxhansl wrote: post #64

How much many more wars over gas or oil do we need to finally just take the energy that (for the most part) is available locally and renewable?! The petrol era is coming to an end. Our current administration might desperately want to remain a petrol state (for reasons that escape me), but it will only delay the inevitable. The EU is not much better either. The writing has been on the wall, and even since the Russian…

> for reasons that escape me The reasons are simple: liberals want renewable energy, therefore renewable energy is bad and must be destroyed. It's oppositional defiant disorder on a cultural scale.

No- it’s just that people want choice, and not have to pay for tax credits (via lost government tax revenue)

Re: BYD is seeing a flood of new EV buyers

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Post by outside2344 »

phil21 wrote: post #133
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The west coast is the only part that relies on middle eastern oil. And a spike in prices will just get them in line and connected to the rest of the shale powered system. The west coast is adopting EVs at a faster pace than the rest of the country. You could just as well see accelerated adoption of EVs in personal and freight transportation, Chinese manufacturers opening up US EV production, and so on. The answer i…

The west coast also has some of the highest priced electricity in the nation, with apparently projections on it getting even worse somehow. It’s amazing how much grift and subsidy leveraging the US renewables market has engaged in compared to pragmatic deployments elsewhere like China. Utterly insane and it shows how difficult it’s going to be to fix since it’s an endemic problem with American society at its core.

We also have some the cheapest, because solar covers my 90% of my usage for the whole year.

Re: BYD is seeing a flood of new EV buyers

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Post by HPsquared »

smallerfish wrote: post #90
michaelteter wrote: post #58

If one removed the country names and just looked at where investment (focus, planning, and money) was, we would see two greatly different pictures. One country is disincentivizing or even blocking renewable energy production, rolling back climate protection measures, trying to revitalize the coal industry, slashing investment in scientific research of all kinds, demonizing higher education, and spending vast and rapi…

> in two decades While I agree with your overall point, I'm reminded of "the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent" here. The US is a huge economy with a massive military infrastructure. I don't think it's fading to fallen empire status that quickly.

'How did you go bankrupt?'

'Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly.'

Re: BYD is seeing a flood of new EV buyers

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Post by nxm »

claaams wrote: post #54
bawolff wrote: post #29

It seems really unlikely to me that 2 weeks worth of high oil prices is anything more than a rounding error in BYD's years (decade?) long bet on electric cars. Even if they tripled their sales for the last two weeks, it wouldn't be relavent to if their bet will ultimately pay off.

Extrapolate this into a forever war where oil is increasingly expensive week after week.

I’ll trust the markets instead of some emotional ideological posts

Re: BYD is seeing a flood of new EV buyers

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Post by outside2344 »

derf_ wrote: post #132
legitronics wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well the USA is a net exporter of all oil products since 2019, this will probably make some people very rich and has the potential to be good for parts of the us energy sector. The west coast is the only part that relies on middle eastern oil. And a spike in prices will just get them in line and connected to the rest of the shale powered system. I don’t like any of this, but I think the doom and gloom lies elsewhere.

You know who else is a net exporter of oil and gas? Russia. Starting a war with Iran is literally the biggest favor Trump could have done for Putin.

You mean Trump did what Putin wanted

Re: BYD is seeing a flood of new EV buyers

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Post by [deleted] »

Marsymars wrote: post #16
nomel wrote: post #12

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i bought a small ev for commuting/around town (100 mile range in good conditions), and a large gas vehicle for everything else. if you have room, this appears to be the true sweet spot.

Only the (a?) sweet spot if you'd otherwise already be a two-car household. (And the larger gas vehicle can still be a non-plug-in hybrid.)

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