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North Korean's 100k fake IT workers net $500M a year for Kim

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Re: North Korean's 100k fake IT workers net $500M a year for Kim

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I’m a little unclear on the usage of the word “fake” here. Going by article, these are real people doing actual real work, they often use stolen identities to conceal information about themselves, and they get help from outside sources to do their jobs better. Whatever the right word is, it’s not “fake”. Maybe fraudulent? Or ulterior motives? Or deceptive? Or pretext? Or threat actor? Or foreign agents?

Fraudulent is the right word imo. And I believe it's the term used in the recruiting industry

Re: North Korean's 100k fake IT workers net $500M a year for Kim

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is slavery. Chattel slavery is much more severe than what we normally consider slavery. Yet “slavery” and chattel slavery are both still slavery. The reason what you’re saying is so accepted is because we are currently living under a universal liberal world order that says wage slavery id freedom.

According to the dictionary, you are wrong. Somebody who works for a wage is not the property of their employer.

Wage slavery doesn’t literally only refer to wages. I was referring to the political meaning. Not something you can go to the dictionary for.

Re: North Korean's 100k fake IT workers net $500M a year for Kim

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I don’t think you know what “communist standards” means. > “North Korea is economically isolated because they refuse to be normal even by communist standards.” “Kim is isolated because she refuses to be normal like the other submissive housewives beaten by their husbands” You are blaming the victim while acting like the aggressor oppressors actions are not their own responsibility.

Like they stated above, Vietnam exists. > You are blaming the victim [...] Pray tell, what crime did USA commit that motivated the abduction of 2 innocent citizens? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abduction_of_Shin_Sang-ok_and_...

I don’t get what you’re saying. There is a paused civil war due to outsiders (whites, UN, etc) interfering and still occupying half the country.

Not sure what you mean what crime did the current outsider occupiers commit after they did a genocide (and not using this lightly. There aren’t that many genocides)?

Sob stories are available against/for every major human conflict. The story you linked isn’t really relevant even to the severity of what we are talking about.

Re: North Korean's 100k fake IT workers net $500M a year for Kim

#155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is slavery. Chattel slavery is much more severe than what we normally consider slavery. Yet “slavery” and chattel slavery are both still slavery. The reason what you’re saying is so accepted is because we are currently living under a universal liberal world order that says wage slavery id freedom.

I hope you notice I didn't mention chattel slavery. Even prior to it, all forms of slavery were about removing the agency of person and subjugating the will of the slave to the owner. That requires an active action. Not hiring someone is a passive action. As said by many, you are not entitled to a wage. In fact, suggesting otherwise would actually require slavery. Wage slavery, instead, is a description of a particul…

“destitution” I am not referring to this. I was referring to the political/economic meaning of the word. Not about not making a lot.

Re: North Korean's 100k fake IT workers net $500M a year for Kim

#156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the dictionary, you are wrong. Somebody who works for a wage is not the property of their employer.

Wage slavery doesn’t literally only refer to wages. I was referring to the political meaning. Not something you can go to the dictionary for.

You said “it is slavery”; it is not slavery.

Re: North Korean's 100k fake IT workers net $500M a year for Kim

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like they stated above, Vietnam exists. > You are blaming the victim [...] Pray tell, what crime did USA commit that motivated the abduction of 2 innocent citizens? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abduction_of_Shin_Sang-ok_and_...

I don’t get what you’re saying. There is a paused civil war due to outsiders (whites, UN, etc) interfering and still occupying half the country. Not sure what you mean what crime did the current outsider occupiers commit after they did a genocide (and not using this lightly. There aren’t that many genocides)? Sob stories are available against/for every major human conflict. The story you linked isn’t really relevant…

None of the sides are occupied, though, neither by UN, "white" people, etc. That's literally just propaganda. At best, by a large stretch too, one could say NK is occupied by Russia and China, the only countries currently vouching for NK, and, as previously stated, that's a stretch given their reluctance towards Kim' personal kingdom. It is more accurate to say NK serves as a buffer state to them.

What genocide are you referring to? The Shichon Massacre? The one only NK sources claim outsiders commit, for the sole purpose of promoting xenophobia and ultranationalism?

Finally, I think you straight up didn't read the reference. How exactly kidnapping 2 movie directors just to produce propaganda pieces are justifiably helpful to the war effort? I hope you have the decency to realize that this isn't a war tragedy, where innocents are killed/multilated despite best efforts. This is a large private corporation kidnapping 2 civilians from the other side for strictly private purposes.

If the relevance to the discussion isn't clear, the point is that North Korea, even as a Stalinist-inspired socialist country, doesn't need to commit the crimes it does to survive. You are just trying to dismiss NK's particularly rogue behavior under the excuse that "west"(which, in this context, is just a propaganda term, could've used just USA instead) oppresses them, ignoring even other socialist countries that do not have to stoop so low.

Re: North Korean's 100k fake IT workers net $500M a year for Kim

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope you notice I didn't mention chattel slavery. Even prior to it, all forms of slavery were about removing the agency of person and subjugating the will of the slave to the owner. That requires an active action. Not hiring someone is a passive action. As said by many, you are not entitled to a wage. In fact, suggesting otherwise would actually require slavery. Wage slavery, instead, is a description of a particul…

“destitution” I am not referring to this. I was referring to the political/economic meaning of the word. Not about not making a lot.

The common, orthodixical, sociological/economical meaning of the word "wage slavery" is about being paid, on average, barely enough to make a living, i.e. destitution in the conventional sense.

I suppose you are referring to the Marxist meaning, technically (at least as far as I know) original, meaning. First, Marxist economics are considered heterodoxical nowadays. Second, it is still about "destitution", in the sense that the working class is formally destitute of the means of production, requiring to sell their labor to have access to it. If that's the case, I hope you notice that weakens your point of "wage slavery being a form of slavery", as you lose the analogy of proper material conditions.

Re: North Korean's 100k fake IT workers net $500M a year for Kim

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A friend of mine got two such "fake" candidates for a coding interview. His experience reminded me of those "Nigerian Prince" emails from 20 years ago. These two gentlemen had western names (like "Brandon Smith") but Asian features and a tenuous grasp of spoken English; even though they claimed to have undergrad degrees from US universities. And he could tell they were looking at another screen to copy code from. Aft…

Frankly sounds like many "real" candidates I've interviewed. The tenuous grasp of spoken English despite a degree taught in English is also not unusual. Setting aside the fraud for a moment (which is an insurmountable barrier to employeeing them). To some extent I'd be satisfied if they actually had a degree and were productive. They obviously need good enough receptive and written English to work. Especially if they…

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