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Re: Nvidia NemoClaw

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Am I missing something? Why is everyone talking about sandboxes when it comes to OpenClaw? To me it's like giving your dog a stack of important documents, then being worried he might eat them, so you put the dog in a crate, together with the documents. I thought the whole problem with that idea was that in order for the agent to be useful, you have to connect it to your calendar, your e-mail provider and other servic…

but you don't want the go to send your documents to someone in Nigeria

Re: Nvidia NemoClaw

#152

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What makes it even better is that these dogs are like Malinois. If they want to get into something, they will; people have had their entire network compromised by bots they left running overnight, and any important information like account logins and so on runs the risk of being misused. It's one thing to sandbox, maybe give the bot a temporary, limited $100 card or account to go perform a specific task, but there's…

> "Claw bots seem to be a weird sort of alternate reality RPG more than a useful tool, so far." So basically crypto DeFi/Web3/Metaverse delusion redux

They're 100% fun. There's 100% definitely something there that's useful. To strain the dog analogy - If you were a professional dog trainer, or if the dog was exceptionally well trained, then there's a place for it in your life. IT can probably be used safely, but would require extraordinary effort, either sandboxing it so totally that it's more or less just the chatbot, or spending a lot of time building the environment it can operate in with extreme guardrails.

So yeah, a whole lot of people will play with powerful technology that they have no business playing with and will get hurt, but also a lot of amazing things will get done. I think the main difference between the crypto delusion stuff and this is that AI is actually useful, it's just legitimately dangerous in ways that crypto couldn't be. The worst risks of crypto were like gambling - getting rubber hosed by thugs or losing your savings. AI could easily land people in jail if things go off the rails. "Gee, I see this other network, I need to hack into it, to expand my reach. Let me just load Kali Linux and..." off to the races.

Re: Nvidia NemoClaw

#154
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Running OpenClaw is the nerd equivalent of rolling coal

I'm trying to put together what you could possibly mean by this -- rolling coal is fundamentally about spite. In isolation, nobody _wants_ their vehicle to spew black smoke. It only comes close to making sense in the context of another population (EV owners, typically, or more generally "the libs"). OpenClaw lets people live a bit dangerously, but fundamentally gives them something that they actually wanted. They wan…

It might be about spite for some, but it's okay to admit you don't understand car people, especially the ones who like diesels.

Re: Nvidia NemoClaw

#155

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I can give you, as an example, what is driving me towards trying it. I work as a contractor for 2 companies, not out of necessity, but greed. I also have a personal project with a friend that is dangerously close to becoming a business that needs attention. I also have other responsibilities and believe it or not - friends. Also the ADHD on top of that. I yearn for a personal assistant. Something or somebody that wil…

But isn’t this just another notification to ignore? The ticket being assigned to you is your “Hey take care of this!” ping, same with the email or text from your friend. How long until you start tuning out the openclaw notifications?

It's a good point.

My hope would be that since openclaw is communicating with me to my personal device, where I have all noise filtered, it would be a bit better.

I also know it can integrate with TickTick, which has been a huge change for me with task management. Then again - in my experience whatever tool I use to keep track of stuff only works for as long as it's a novelty, but 3 months is a record anyway.

The thing is - when I receive a message and I'm not in the headspace to answer, I close the notification and forget about it. My expectation would be openclaw reminding me that I still haven't replied to this person about that thing. Obviously, there's a million ways to do it that don't require openclaw. Obviously there's a million things that I won't be able to grant openclaw access to (e.g. company jira or slack). And obviously, I don't want it evaluating every single of my personal messages. But I think there is a reasonable middle ground where it can work well. But I don't yet know how to reach it

Re: Nvidia NemoClaw

#156
post #65

Am I missing something? Why is everyone talking about sandboxes when it comes to OpenClaw? To me it's like giving your dog a stack of important documents, then being worried he might eat them, so you put the dog in a crate, together with the documents. I thought the whole problem with that idea was that in order for the agent to be useful, you have to connect it to your calendar, your e-mail provider and other servic…

Yes, although what I think is different in this setup here is the OpenShell gateway override, as they mention: > NemoClaw installs the NVIDIA OpenShell runtime and Nemotron models, then uses a versioned blueprint to create a sandboxed environment where every network request, file access, and inference call is governed by declarative policy. The nemoclaw CLI orchestrates the full stack: OpenShell gateway, sandbox, inf…

I like that these companies will name their products OpenShell or OpenVINO or whatever with the implication that anyone else will ever contribute to it beyond bugfixes. The message is "Come use and contribute to our OPEN ecosystem (that conspicuously only works on our hardware)! Definitely no vendor lock-in here!"

It's not something like Mesa. It's open source in the same way chromium or android is open source. A single company is the major contributor and decides the architecture and direction the whole ecosystem will go.

What are the odds that Intel would ever use any of this open source Nemo stuff or vice-versa? If they do, it would be a complete rewrite that favors their own hardware ecosystem and reverses the lock-in effect. When you write code that integrates with it, you're writing an interface for one company's hardware. It's not a common interface like vulkan. I call it the CUDA effect.

Re: Nvidia NemoClaw

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post #65

Am I missing something? Why is everyone talking about sandboxes when it comes to OpenClaw? To me it's like giving your dog a stack of important documents, then being worried he might eat them, so you put the dog in a crate, together with the documents. I thought the whole problem with that idea was that in order for the agent to be useful, you have to connect it to your calendar, your e-mail provider and other servic…

You can't make money if people ran things from their computer. And some people don't know ssh.

Re: Nvidia NemoClaw

#159

It’s impressive someone early in their career shipped this. There seems to be a stark increase in high-quality AI/data projects from early-career engineers lately and I'm super curious what’s driving that (and honestly speaking: a little jealous).

If you started your career more than ~2-3 years ago, you were trained on a completely different game. Clear abstractions, ownership, careful iteration, all that. That muscle memory is actively hindering you; preventing you from succeeding. The people coming up now don't have that baggage. They never internalized "write the code yourself" as the default. They think in terms of spawning systems, letting things run, che…

This is the most delusional comment i think i have ever read on this site. It didn't make sense until i read the part about "Founders and CEOs" and realized it was not a post about any serious software enterprise.

Re: Nvidia NemoClaw

#160

I found this part interesting: "Inference requests from the agent never leave the sandbox directly. OpenShell intercepts every call and routes it to the NVIDIA cloud provider." Seems like they are doing this to become the default compute provider for the easiest way to set up OpenClaw. If it works out, it could drive a decent amount of consumer inference revenue their way

yes. this is it. but the average consumer isn't going to use this.

Google is just going to do its version and win again. Everyone uses google.

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