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Despite doubts, federal cyber experts approved Microsoft cloud service

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Re: Despite doubts, federal cyber experts approved Microsoft cloud service

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Post by dralley »

Spooky23 wrote: post #103
pluc wrote: post #98

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It's hard to argue against contempt but... I'm gonna try. It feels like at the end of the line it's just a checkbox someone gets without having to consider the consequences of the changes. Either it's too big or there's too many levels where decisions get made and handed down to drones (or AI), but the people who decide seem to have no concept of what their products are used for and the people who implement features…

Microsoft was always afraid of being IBM. They are more IBM than IBM. When they started flying people in the beg that I buy 100 Surface Laptops, that was the confirmation of everything I had been thinking. All I could think of was IBM flying a dude from Italy in to talk for 15 minutes about their version of TeamViewer back in the day. We ended up talking about shoes.

It's a shame. In the late 2010s there was a lot of hope for Satya Nadella, but it seems like the organization has regressed back to the mean.

Re: Despite doubts, federal cyber experts approved Microsoft cloud service

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Post by BizarroLand »

blks wrote: post #147
beaviskhan wrote: post #131

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> I probably have five different systems This is the story of Microsoft - five different ways to do the thing, none of which do everything, and all of which are in various states of disrepair ranging from outright deprecation on up through feature-incomplete preview. Which one do you use? Who knows, but by the time you get everything moved over to that one and make allowances for all the stuff the one you chose doesn…

And now slap widespread vibe coding and PRs that reviewed by LLMs without anyone giving it a proper look.

And most of that is done on Macbooks by people that either can not or will not use Windows OS.

Re: Despite doubts, federal cyber experts approved Microsoft cloud service

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Post by r_lee »

lokar wrote: post #128
bmurphy1976 wrote: post #78

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See my other comment. Logs are just one small symptom of a larger problem of poorly integrated very complex services where the complexity is pushed onto the users and not properly managed by Amazon. Which sounds very much like the problems with Azure.

My general approach is to only use the most basic services from each cloud. VMs, networks, L3 load balancers, blob storage, etc Build the rest yourself. In many cases their higher level service is just the same open source package you would run, just managed worse.

this. with Kubernetes, you can get very far with just this and you won't have to deal with lock in BS either

Re: Despite doubts, federal cyber experts approved Microsoft cloud service

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Post by Spivak »

BizarroLand wrote: post #152
blks wrote: post #147

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And now slap widespread vibe coding and PRs that reviewed by LLMs without anyone giving it a proper look.

And most of that is done on Macbooks by people that either can not or will not use Windows OS.

I don't mean this as a jab, but would you use Windows to develop software? Especially Windows that has AD teeth sunk into it where everything is "managed by your organization." It's just a thousand small cuts for seemingly no good reason.

Re: Despite doubts, federal cyber experts approved Microsoft cloud service

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Post by BizarroLand »

dralley wrote: post #151
Spooky23 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft was always afraid of being IBM. They are more IBM than IBM. When they started flying people in the beg that I buy 100 Surface Laptops, that was the confirmation of everything I had been thinking. All I could think of was IBM flying a dude from Italy in to talk for 15 minutes about their version of TeamViewer back in the day. We ended up talking about shoes.

It's a shame. In the late 2010s there was a lot of hope for Satya Nadella, but it seems like the organization has regressed back to the mean.

Which is sad because the CEO's job is not to focus on the individual body parts but to make sure that the whole system is strong, beautiful, and healthy.

They can afford people who would do better. Windows 11 is trash. Azure is trash. Onedrive is trash. Outlook is trashier than it has ever been before, but it's not quite trash yet. Word is trash. Excel is rapidly enshittifying. Copilot is hot flaming radioactive tar cancer.

Does microslop even have a single thing left that isn't either completely terrible or worse than it used to be a mere 5 years ago?

Re: Despite doubts, federal cyber experts approved Microsoft cloud service

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Post by rdtsc »

BizarroLand wrote: post #152
blks wrote: post #147

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And now slap widespread vibe coding and PRs that reviewed by LLMs without anyone giving it a proper look.

And most of that is done on Macbooks by people that either can not or will not use Windows OS.

Wait, is this true? I would have imagined unless it’s about porting software or testing it, everyone would be forced to use Windows.

If it is true, wonder what the proportion is then: 25%, 50%?

Re: Despite doubts, federal cyber experts approved Microsoft cloud service

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Post by thewebguyd »

markus_zhang wrote: post #83
dietr1ch wrote: post #73

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> You just have to stick with it for a few years. So, you have to be a paying tester? Incredible that MS can keep enough businesses as hostage to be able to operate like that.

Most of the time it's just part of the bundle. If you are heavy into SQL Server, Office 365 and Power BI then there is a BIG chance you are going to use Azure for whatever the reason. People who take Azure up without previous MS product experience...not sure about those.

There's a few, mostly retailers who don't want to give money to Amazon as a direct competitor, for them Microsoft/Azure is more of a neutral party, and most businesses already use Microsoft in at least some fashion so already have staff internally familiar with MS products (as opposed to say, going to GCP instead).

For everyone else, it's like you said. "Eh, we are already knee deep in the Microsoft stack, why would we pick anything else?"

Re: Despite doubts, federal cyber experts approved Microsoft cloud service

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Post by thayne »

I don't have much experience with Azure but I was amazed at how many things in AWS GovCloud don't meet FedRAMP encryption requirements. For example, none of the lambda runtimes have FIPS certified encryption libraries available, and you have to bring you own, which is rather complicated to do.

Re: Despite doubts, federal cyber experts approved Microsoft cloud service

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Post by BizarroLand »

Spivak wrote: post #155
BizarroLand wrote: post #152

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And most of that is done on Macbooks by people that either can not or will not use Windows OS.

I don't mean this as a jab, but would you use Windows to develop software? Especially Windows that has AD teeth sunk into it where everything is "managed by your organization." It's just a thousand small cuts for seemingly no good reason.

No, but I also wouldn't let people who do not understand the soul of the OS to rewrite it.

If I were the microslop god for 6 weeks, I would force everyone to go to a boot camp and use Windows 7 for 4 of those weeks so they could see what made it so good.

No invasiveness, an OS that felt like yours. Just enough eye candy to not be distracting but to also feel like a clean modern system. Low system usage at idle. Calm, clean, and ready to roll when you clicked a button.

Windows is NEVER going to be MacOS, but the dev teams seem obsessed with macifying windows while also wedging that AI abomination copilot into every line of code, so windows is getting a tag team of rapid enshittification on top of already having been massively enshittified, and at least some portion of it is due to the people being paid to make it not understanding what it is supposed to be, the niche it held, and the reason for windows existence.

With no soul, windows has to go.

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