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Re: Kagi Small Web

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Post by Aachen »

skydhash wrote: post #94
Aachen wrote: post #88

Does it work for you guys to go to about and then click on the "list" link? For me it says I'm blocked due to hitting a "secondary" rate limit (don't understand what that means). I don't think I've opened a page on github yet today so clearly it's a lie. Is it the referer that triggers this? In general, freeloading the "small web" on a Microsoft service is kind of ironic. Being blocked by algorithms that try to detec…

If you’re not signed into GitHub, it always throws those errors page (maybe due to scrapping being done with residential IP addresses).

Cool, so much for the small web

No scrapers running on my IP address btw, at least not since it was assigned to me ~10 hours ago (I'm in one of those countries where ISPs seem to have agreed amongst each other that IP addresses must change daily so you can't reliably host things)

Re: Kagi Small Web

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Post by gwerbin »

ArtificeAccount wrote: post #31

I've been using the Kagi search engine for months now and I'm not impressed. I bought into it because there were a lot of posts saying that it was "just like old Google" but this has not been my experience. It's the same as new Google, you can type in what you're looking for exactly and you'll get random sort-of related websites. I remember when you could half-remember a comment from a website, type that into Google,…

I am very impressed. Kagi manages to maintain Google-par quality or better most of the time, whereas DDG became an unusable slop pit a few years ago. I'm a very happy customer and happy to keep paying for both Kagi and Orion, in part on principle and in part because the product actually works very well for me.

I don't even use the AI assistant much, only when there are a lot of disjointed search results and I want a quick summary.

Re: Kagi Small Web

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Post by Cider9986 »

freetonik wrote: post #20

On a similar note, I maintain and grow a manually curated collection of personal blogs with valid RSS feeds: https://minifeed.net/blogs The criteria is simple: human-written (as much as I can validate myself), in English (for now), with valid RSS feed, and not a micro-blog (so, more than just feed of links or short tweet-like messages). Similar to Kagi's Small Web viewer, or StumbleUpon-style viewer: you can get a ra…

https://wiby.me/ is interesting. I am not sure if it updates, or if it just has old websites.

Re: Kagi Small Web

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Post by raincole »

zknill wrote: post #48
ArtificeAccount wrote: post #31

I've been using the Kagi search engine for months now and I'm not impressed. I bought into it because there were a lot of posts saying that it was "just like old Google" but this has not been my experience. It's the same as new Google, you can type in what you're looking for exactly and you'll get random sort-of related websites. I remember when you could half-remember a comment from a website, type that into Google,…

I've been using Kagi for ~18months and your description doesn't match my experience at all. Querying for something like "snowflake json from variant?" in both engines and in google I get a sort-of-right-but-not-really-that-helpful ai summary about "parse_json" function. In Kagi I get an actually useful summary with code examples of parse_json, but also the colon-based syntax for accessing values inside nested objects…

First of all, the parent comment's point is that Kagi is often be praised for being like so-called-old-Google[0]. So it's only reasonable to assume they only care about the links, not the LLM summary. What you described is even further from old Google.

Second, if you want this kind of LLM-digested search result, Google AI studio blows everything out of water (including Google search, obviously).

[0] I've never bought into the idea that old Google was so much better. But it seems to be a very popular opinion on HN. ymmv.

Re: Kagi Small Web

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Post by tensor »

emacdona wrote: post #82
the_pwner224 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched about a year ago. At the time it did seem like a step up from Google results. But there's been an increasing prevalence of low quality results. Blogspam, AI websites, etc. Obviously not blaming Kagi here, web search has gotten hard recently. Is Kagi still better than Google? Probably, I don't really know because I don't use Google anymore. But at this point I feel like I'm with them out of inertia more tha…

I'm glad to see this comment and the parent comment voted so near the top. I've had the same experience. In my experience, Kagi used to be great... then it became good... and now it's "better than Google". "Better than Google" and the fact that I can choose websites to exclude from my search results are two features that I remain willing to pay for, however.

I'm extremely confused by these comments. Are we all using the same google? Just to make sure I wasn't crazy I just did a search on Google and 1/2 the page was a combination of google AI result and ads. Below that there were 2.5 links visible. One reddit result, and two blogspam.

The exact same search on Kagi ('best lllm for coding') nets reddit, hacker news, and some other forum results right at the top, followed by a long dense list of links to various sites (including some of the same blogspam of course), but over all the results are hugely more rich and varied and also not at all the same.

How can you possibly say that a site that gives you 50% ads and a bunch of low quality links is remotely "only a little better" than a site that gives you zero ads and a huge number of better quality links?

Re: Kagi Small Web

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Post by olejorgenb »

gjm11 wrote: post #121
olejorgenb wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe there some projects trying this now using OCR IIRC. Did even Microsoft try something like this? It's of course something you'd only want running locally

I think the joke is that Microsoft did do something very like this -- they call it Windows Recall -- and it got a lot of angry pushback. (Partly, IIRC, because the specific way they did it initially was very bad in terms of security and privacy, but I think a lot of people quite understandably don't trust them to implement it (a) the way they claim they do or (b) competently, so even after they made a bunch of change…

Ah :wooosh:, :D

Re: Kagi Small Web

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Post by jorvi »

ArtificeAccount wrote: post #31

I've been using the Kagi search engine for months now and I'm not impressed. I bought into it because there were a lot of posts saying that it was "just like old Google" but this has not been my experience. It's the same as new Google, you can type in what you're looking for exactly and you'll get random sort-of related websites. I remember when you could half-remember a comment from a website, type that into Google,…

Kagi uses Google (and other) indexes.

The main usecase for Kagi is the fact that you can personally uprank/downrank/pin/block sites. And it has a bunch of creature comforts built in like:

- Attempting to detect AI slop, concatenating listicles ("10 best ...") under one search result heade

- Attempting to block translated Reddit results

- Custom lenses that search only coding resources or recipes or whatnot

- Redirects (so x.com > xcancel.com), although I feel this should be a browser feature

- Better translate than Google

There's probably a few things I'm forgetting.

Kagi is abysmal at image search though. Just assume you will have to use Google for that.

Re: Kagi Small Web

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Post by everlier »

evanjrowley wrote: post #98
olejorgenb wrote: post #72

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Off topic, but ref "I remember when you could half-remember a comment from a website, type that into Google, and get taken to the article you were looking for" It's funny to me that (to my knowledge) no browser (mainstream?) implement this functionality yet. Seems like a no brainer to index what the user have actually seen... (Could even be restricted based on viewport - I don't think it's that crazy of an idea) I kn…

>It's funny to me that (to my knowledge) no browser (mainstream?) implement this functionality yet. Seems like a no brainer to index what the user have actually seen... The answer to this is complicated. Both Google Chrome and Microsoft Edge actually implement this. Behind the scenes, both will upload your browser history to the cloud. You can see it in network packet captures. It's implemented in the browser for the…

Never thought about this, but it makes sense they don't want a better local search, just for users to rely more on their product. It's messed up - so much time and human potential wasted on poor search and ads.

Re: Kagi Small Web

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Post by olejorgenb »

mock-possum wrote: post #131
olejorgenb wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Off topic, but ref "I remember when you could half-remember a comment from a website, type that into Google, and get taken to the article you were looking for" It's funny to me that (to my knowledge) no browser (mainstream?) implement this functionality yet. Seems like a no brainer to index what the user have actually seen... (Could even be restricted based on viewport - I don't think it's that crazy of an idea) I kn…

> no brainer to index what the user have actually seen... I know there's a a number of third party programs which does though Which company would you trust with this kind of deep surveillance information on you though?

I would trust Firefox if they made a version which did the indexing locally. I think I'd trust chrome as well as long as it was implemented locally.
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