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The emergence of print-on-demand Amazon paperback books

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Re: The emergence of print-on-demand Amazon paperback books

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This article really resonates with me and I'm somewhat relieved to see someone else feels the same way. I love physical books for general reading and will often buy both physical and ebook format for technical books to get the best of both worlds. I now cannot stand print-on-demand books and, like the author, I can spot them very quickly. The quality is abysmal, and I might as well be printing them myself at that poi…

It's also incredibly annoying that Amazon slurped up AbeBooks way back in 2008.

Alibris (https://www.alibris.com/) is a great alternative. I do basically all my book buying there.

If anyone’s concerned about the condition of used books, I’ve found their condition descriptions (https://www.alibris.com/popups/glossary/book-condition) to be reliable (indeed, books are often in better condition than indicated - I’ll happily order anything ‘fair’ or above).

Re: The emergence of print-on-demand Amazon paperback books

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This article really resonates with me and I'm somewhat relieved to see someone else feels the same way. I love physical books for general reading and will often buy both physical and ebook format for technical books to get the best of both worlds. I now cannot stand print-on-demand books and, like the author, I can spot them very quickly. The quality is abysmal, and I might as well be printing them myself at that poi…

Something I don't understand: Why don't you buy used books? Plenty of supply for a book like the one he mentions, Knut Hamsun's "Growth of the Soil." No question that it was made to the quality level of the time when it was published; early 2000's is probably peak. I understand some books are so new they won't have any used copies. But for everything else, there's an endless buffet to choose from.

I can't speak for jn6118, but for me the reason I tend to avoid used books unless there is no other option is the lack of reliable quality standards. Used book listings rarely come with pictures of the actual item being sold, and the same used book listed as "very good" may be nearly brand-new from one seller with minor wear to the dust jacket, and from another have a broken spine, writing inside, discolored pages and an unpleasant odor.

Re: The emergence of print-on-demand Amazon paperback books

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That's one part of the story, but I think you're glossing over two other issues. First, digital printing allows anyone to sloppily OCR public-domain works (or download them from Project Gutenberg), typeset the text haphazardly, and put it on Amazon. The result is terrible for reasons that have little to do with the limitations of the technology. Take the Russell book: terrible kerning ("Proble ms"), an AI-generated a…

> If you have an older, low-volume book, providing a shoddy version will make you more money than letting it go out of print. From my point of view, what you are describing is "if you're the owner of an interesting but niche work, making it available in a basic version will please a lot of people who want to buy and read it". The alternative to most of these 'shoddy versions' from reputable publishers is simply no ve…

Most of these are also available in ebook (free ebooks, in the case of public domain works like the Bertrand Russell), which makes me think that the people who don't value paper books in-and-of-themselves probably aren't buying the shoddy paperbacks either.

For someone who specifically likes the experience of a paper books, the option of a better print (or at least disclosure of the print quality) is highly desirable

Re: The emergence of print-on-demand Amazon paperback books

#154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something I don't understand: Why don't you buy used books? Plenty of supply for a book like the one he mentions, Knut Hamsun's "Growth of the Soil." No question that it was made to the quality level of the time when it was published; early 2000's is probably peak. I understand some books are so new they won't have any used copies. But for everything else, there's an endless buffet to choose from.

I can't speak for jn6118, but for me the reason I tend to avoid used books unless there is no other option is the lack of reliable quality standards. Used book listings rarely come with pictures of the actual item being sold, and the same used book listed as "very good" may be nearly brand-new from one seller with minor wear to the dust jacket, and from another have a broken spine, writing inside, discolored pages an…

Shop at abebooks and limit purchases to those which have photos of the SKU in question.

Re: The emergence of print-on-demand Amazon paperback books

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Buy second hand books if you can: wider selection, good for the environment, lower price (usually), supports small businesses (usually).

I buy 95% of my books second hand.

Secondhand book stores are also usually much more interesting than even good new stores.

Re: The emergence of print-on-demand Amazon paperback books

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something I don't understand: Why don't you buy used books? Plenty of supply for a book like the one he mentions, Knut Hamsun's "Growth of the Soil." No question that it was made to the quality level of the time when it was published; early 2000's is probably peak. I understand some books are so new they won't have any used copies. But for everything else, there's an endless buffet to choose from.

I can't speak for jn6118, but for me the reason I tend to avoid used books unless there is no other option is the lack of reliable quality standards. Used book listings rarely come with pictures of the actual item being sold, and the same used book listed as "very good" may be nearly brand-new from one seller with minor wear to the dust jacket, and from another have a broken spine, writing inside, discolored pages an…

I can't recommend ThriftBooks highly enough. I'm a "very good" or "good" but not "acceptable" customer and I've felt the quality was consistent across the probably 30 books I've ordered from them.

Re: The emergence of print-on-demand Amazon paperback books

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Is there a way to filter out such books when you browse Amazon? They should at least tell you it's an "on-demand" printed book before you order?

Why not just go to a better online seller? One of the books mentioned: https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-problems-of-philosophy-warb...

I can't necessarily speak for that specific book, but a youtuber I follow (who has POD books as one of her particular bugbears) has stopped recommending bookshop.org after personally getting POD copies from there.

Re: The emergence of print-on-demand Amazon paperback books

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> If you have an older, low-volume book, providing a shoddy version will make you more money than letting it go out of print. From my point of view, what you are describing is "if you're the owner of an interesting but niche work, making it available in a basic version will please a lot of people who want to buy and read it". The alternative to most of these 'shoddy versions' from reputable publishers is simply no ve…

Most of these are also available in ebook (free ebooks, in the case of public domain works like the Bertrand Russell), which makes me think that the people who don't value paper books in-and-of-themselves probably aren't buying the shoddy paperbacks either. For someone who specifically likes the experience of a paper books, the option of a better print (or at least disclosure of the print quality) is highly desirable

My comment and the part of the previous comment I was replying to are explicitly about works in copyright.

For public domain works, poor quality printed copies could never be criticized as crowding out better quality copies.

Re: The emergence of print-on-demand Amazon paperback books

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's one part of the story, but I think you're glossing over two other issues. First, digital printing allows anyone to sloppily OCR public-domain works (or download them from Project Gutenberg), typeset the text haphazardly, and put it on Amazon. The result is terrible for reasons that have little to do with the limitations of the technology. Take the Russell book: terrible kerning ("Proble ms"), an AI-generated a…

> If you have an older, low-volume book, providing a shoddy version will make you more money than letting it go out of print. From my point of view, what you are describing is "if you're the owner of an interesting but niche work, making it available in a basic version will please a lot of people who want to buy and read it". The alternative to most of these 'shoddy versions' from reputable publishers is simply no ve…

Sure. I'm not arguing it's fundamentally bad. But it's going to leave some buyers unhappy because nowadays, the point of paperbacks is that you're paying extra for a reading experience, not the text itself. An ebook is always less (or free).
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